Hi all
This is Graeme Axford’s old blog with information about Child Youth and Family New Zealand (FYC); this is our Child Protection Services. Luckily I followed and copied Graeme Axford’s blog which was taken down so here it is again for all to see and enjoy.
Graeme also has other blogs here http://cyf-complains.blogspot.com/
Which is about the CEO Advisory Panel, CYF complaint system..
And videos here, http://www.youtube.com/user/talk2graeme and here if you have trouble with youtube as some have lately, http://www.viddler.com/explore/talk2graeme/videos/
Cheers
Rob
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Who was the sneaky rat who hi-jacked this blog
ReplyDeletegive it back and piss off!
I think Val Henry comments “Iwi representative” are out of order and she is clearly aligning herself with CYF and should be ashamed considering Maori know what it’s been like too suffered discrimination. I would not expect her to go along with what was happening as you outlined and supplied evidence to support your claims.
ReplyDeleteI don’t believe Val had the right to sling off at another Maori provider like that or anyone else on that interview panel. The Maori community is rather small I know who Val is going on about.
I taught my son to drive safely and within the law. He has a few driving convictions but that does not reflect on me. Once people have knowledge its up to them if they want to act or use it. That should not reflect on your provider as it’s like a driving test, once you pass, you get the license. My son has done court ordered DDC courses which he passed and then racks up a few more tickets and fines. Like some Child Youth and family staff it’s about attitude and the amount of tests, courses, ongoing training my son does is of no benefit, until his bad attitude changes he will always be apart of or cause trouble…
It’s understandable why you did not do well at the second interview as they are nerve racking enough under good circumstances let alone bad ones like you were forced to face.
People do forget things during interviews as the saying goes “it’s on the tip of my tongue “and sometimes the more you try to remember something (car keys, names, places) etc… the more worked up and harder it makes to remember and the more you try to force it the worse it gets so you can’t win some days. Everyone has an off day or interview and the fact Child Youth and Family went so over the top rubbishing and finding fault with you convinces me what you are suggesting is right.
I don’t see the result as a reflection on the qualifications you hold or providers you had but rather Child Youth and Family services underhandedness. You are right they needed the second interview result as the first scores look really good from what I see on your webpage.
The way Child Youth and Family treated you is not winning them any friends or favors for those of us who have read the webpage you put up.
I agree with the last comment.
ReplyDeletetop it off with at least 2 Maori
curses put on their Greymouth office.
One was by an elder, now not with us.
Tapu, is powerful, one of the curses will be near impossible to lift. this
latter has the spirit of the person who invoked Tapu e tapu for extreme wrongs to his whanau >family,
enforcing the curse.
This spirit can call on spirits of
other strong, powerful entitys, even from the more powerful
pre- Maori 'Old People!' as their descendents are also angry with cyfs .
The few times I have been in cyfs Greymouth blg, I have felt the presence of restless spirits.
So have others.(Including europeans).
I and others believe the Elder's spirit at nightfall awakens and seeks something, to put right what he (or even she),could not do in
life.
Some may scoff at this. Some people scoff at what they can not understand. I have seen mysterious things happen to a few of such people. Many such unexplained incidents are recorded in NZ History.
I, long ago learnt to respect any Tapu and avoid Tapu areas if I can.
Sorry people it was me, Graeme asked me to change some settings for him and I accidentally deleted everything. I will endeavor to get it back or try and remember all the comments and put them back up if I can’t resurrect them. “Well it is Easter weekend after all!” I have been working on Graeme’s webpage so that could experience some issues as well please bear with us. Last count he had 55 comments posted and 300 emails on the subject.
ReplyDeleteNot funny, Easter Bunny.
ReplyDeleteLucky no coffee fell down your hole. Web Masters, do not make good 'hot, cross, bunnies!'
bring it on bugs, show em wots up doc!? Hic cups come, hic cups go,
let em roll and on with the show
you can start crapping bricks again
cyfs. Boo Hoo, yous are still in the Poo! Wots it feel like sailng down the > Crapper.
This is how many people had been involved so far CYF:
ReplyDelete1.Ruth Dyson, Minister
2.Peter Hughes, MSD CEO
3.Rae Smith, deputy CEO CYF
4.Christine Stevenson, Acting Chief Executive
5.Pam Walkinshaw, Acting Operations Manager Upper South Island
6.Judy Larking another, Acting Operations Manager Upper South Island
7.Paula Attrill, Regional Director Southern.
8.Kerry Collins, looks after Paula’s office when she’s away?
9.Shona Hickey, Human Resources
10.Samantha Selwyn-Ennis, I don’t know what Sam does “no offense intended” but some emails have be CC to her.
Interview Panels
11.Chris Pickering, Team Leader Professional Services, 2nd interview only
12.Christine McKenna, (Greymouth site manager) 1st,2nd interview
13.Valerie Henry, ( CYFS Iwi Representative) 1st,2nd interviews
14.Brent Schmidt, Supervisor 1st interview only
Let us not forget the Media spin Doctors and the rest of HR behind the scenes so you could add a few more in here for that…
That’s a lot of people for so few answers coming forth, No wonder CYPS keep asking the government for more money.
As I said before on the old blog “CYF management is like scum, it rises to the top.
ReplyDeleteI have a few comments about Christine McKenna who is the Manager of the Greymouth office.
ReplyDeleteShe is as useful as tits on a bull and could not arrange a piss-up in a brewery.
Our visits are often cancelled if they happen at all because CYF can’t get someone to supervise. If CYFS use an outside agency often they don’t give them the right information so they turn up in the wrong place at the wrong time if at all.
I would not waist my time complaining because they will take it out on us with even more delays and excuses between visits. It’s nothing more then state sanctioned kidnapping under the guise of child protection. I am not innocent or guilty in their eyes and in the mean time not allowed to be a parent either.
I think the only reason why Christine McKenna got to manager was by natural attrition.
My investigation was found to be none conclusive but that does not mean I get the children back. Neither does it mean I get to see the kids more or on my own. I am sure people in prison get more access to their families then those who kids are in CYFS care in Greymouth. Considering they don’t want to employ you Graham I find it all a bit hard to take. Surely to God you could have run visits and as it would not have cost CYFS anything we might have got longer visits more often. That could be a win-win for everyone involved. It would have been one less thing for the staff to worry about as they are often stressed and overworked. The office seems to go through a few Social workers and sometimes my children don’t even have one or it’s changed.
I think that has to do more with Christine McKenna then anything from what the staff says.
Boy there’s some names from the past. Judy Larking would be in an acting position, as she isn’t the real deal man. I used to think Pam Walkinshaw was alright until I read your webpage I used to work with her in Christchurch.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day Pam was responsible for what happened to you being the most senior person involved directly from what I read. They really underestimated you judging by your replies.
As for Christine McKenna I think your right Greymouth is treated like an outpost and they must be desperate. I was surprised by Christine Stevenson reaction and thought she would have being more forthcoming with answers or at least tried to resolve things as its clear you were not going to go away, and rightfully so after being so outrageously insulted and treated in an underhand manner.
Hey, John Watson ya plonker, the shrink from Hell, (Lives in Christchurch).Looks like a short-arse version of Homer Simpson. ( Homer is better looking and twice as smart).
ReplyDeleteThis Mutt is a pet of judges. He is such a lowlife, he does not even register on any known low-life scale.
More like a 'STD Or VD.' "Nasty."
Avoid like the plague!
I wouldn’t trust Christine McKenna to take over from Willy Wonka she would manage the Chocolate Factory like CYFS and show she’s a plonker.
ReplyDeleteGreymouth is a small town Christine and we are sick of you making mistakes, giving us excuses in that up yourself, condescending attitude.
I have to family members who both work locally for two different Government departments in Greymouth. They both see Graeme on a regular basis and have nothing but good things to say about him. Graeme has a fantastic sense of humor has the office in laughing fits with the right touch of appropriateness. His thinking is multidimensional and he has a dynamic personality we all enjoy.
ReplyDeleteThere is no way whatsoever Graeme has ever manifested the slightest resemblance of mistrust towards the people he sees within these government agencies. Comments like that from the interview panel make them look very stupid and incompetent for those who actually deal with him.
While you might have picked up on a hint of mistrust at the second interview towards one Government department do you ever consider it was yours?
I would not trust CYFS either given the circumstances. CYFS are full of it.
Where is a Knight in shinning armour
ReplyDeletewhen you want one.
Pestilence stalks the land.At night the evil cyfs come out and foray into the countryside and terrorize the peasants.
Dispoiler Dyson, Drag Queen of Darkness,
Spins her web (And emptys) in her lair, barks out orders (That make no sense).The Hughes kids Salesman
carrys out her distardy plots.
The High Wizzer, Lord it up,
BentBum-Pope oversees this slime and corruption policy.
The poor downtrodden honest parents are getting ground into the dust.
In Fortress Greyburg the flunkies flunk, the lackys (who lack grey matter), drool. Their Sire: Lady
chris my toosh, whips some spunk into the flunks. Followed by Sir Plodd and the filth, unsuspecting
serfs and commoners are prayed upon. Children ripped away from loving parents, the Godless effecting all they come in touch with.
Only mayhem & destruction left in their wake.
Out of the Mists, rides a white Knight; It Is Sir Graeme of Kick
butt Manor. Dysons Demons squeal
in in terror, they run around like the headless cluckers the are when
truth is unleashed on them.
The peasants arise in revolt. They do not carry burning torches or pitchforks.
They have their own terror weapon.
A righteous weapon that will electronicly nuke them
From a sacred site the Mighty Blog
devotees are banding together to fight evil at its worst.
Cringe with fear you curs.
Right will prevail.
Mckennia still working at Greymouth?
ReplyDeleteIs Cyfs still that hard up for staff.
She was so useless, a broken lightbulb is of more use. Most likely could run the Greymouth Cyfs office a lot better, even busted and no power.
Do not ask to visit your kids that
these sickos have stolen, they know not, the meaning of organise.
Bugger me, I would say; that these
dimbulbs would run at a loss, a knocking shop on the night the
All Blacks were playing locally!
Mckennia is so inept, why is she not the big boss by now. ?
Then some other duffus's would
have to put up with you.
Ever thought about retirement> Whoops; The word: 'thought,' I forgot,is a non cyfs concept, said to breed contempt for the job.
Try applying for a job in Alaska.
Numb nuts abound, you should be right at home.
"I stole ya Vespa Baby. Bon Voyage and all that jazz!"
Every time I google CYF the news gets worse. I and a few friends were thinking of coming to New Zealand for a working holiday as we are all qualified. Forget it now the UK sounds way better. I can not believe CYFS and the Government ignore what people are saying. Its great advertising for how not to run Social Services and a Country”NOT”.
ReplyDeleteBe thankful you did not get the position; you had a lucky escape from CYFS.
ReplyDeleteIf I was the MSD I would want you working for me rather then against me. Not only would you have to be politically neutral, in other words not hassle any MPs but the MSD would have some way of shutting you up. Then they could harness your trouble making skills for their own good to get them out of the crap. It’s clear to me you are a lot smarter and sharper then CYFS thought. You really socked it to them well done. You have been treated in a fashion unbecoming of a Social Services agency. While they might get off on essentially mocking you they are the fools. I work in policy making and think you are right about the EEO flaws.
ReplyDeleteI come across an article on Sunday April 01, 2007 I thought was a April fool’s day Joke after reading your webpage. The heading reads
ReplyDelete“NZ key to treaty on disabilities”
“New Zealand is working hard to ensure human rights for people with disabilities, Minister for Disability Issues Ruth Dyson told the UN in New York yesterday”
What a bloody joke and practice what you preach Ruth Dyson.
If CYF won’t employ Graham on mainstream it makes a mockery of the New Zealand Disability Strategy and you as CYFS minister, especially given you are the Minister for disability issues.
Practice what you preach Ruth as you are meant to be running Child Youth and Family Services and they have outright refused Mainstream for Graham, have a word with them.
That United Nations Convention on the rights for people with disabilities, means nothing if all the people who went to it like you did is sign it, and don’t implement it at home.
I might drop a line to the UN and let them know what a hypocritical self-righteous, fake you are based on Graham’s experiences he outlined in his webpage.
While you parade yourself on TV for the publicity at the expense of people with disabilities boasting about another talk fest, why not help Graham, It’s that simple..
Graham is clearly qualified even though CYFS tried their hardest too question if the qualification was worth anything based on the second interview result.
Graham got 42 at the first interview when the two other equal highest score were 44 and I bet that person did not have the same disability as him.
The second interview should not have happened under them circumstances, for many of the reasons Graham outlined. CYFS clearly set that up to get the bad result.
Graham is right about the mainstream criteria, he would be considered not work ready and as he can not take an advertised position should never have been forced to go for one. CYFS should have paralleled the interviews as a mainstream one given they were holding interviews anyway. They couldn’t t even get that right.
CYFS refused mainstream outright. I am on mainstream for a Government organization and got treated way better then Graham has.
So Ruth the longer this goes on the worse it looks at gets, do something about it.
As for that excuse you offered Graham “ AS its am employment issues it would be inappropriate for you as a Minster to get involve. Contact the CEO etc… IT’S A DISABILITY AND DISCURNAMATION ISSUES.
Links
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10431969
http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/
www.odi.govt.nz/what-we-do/un-convention.html
I had a child uplifted after and anonymous complaint and yes I did smack her one on the bottom after having told her 7 times, time out did not work or anything else. She had to learn she could not just take things from shops.
ReplyDeleteThe damage that’s been done from the uplift and separation resulted in her seeing a:
Psychiatrist
Psychologist
Sociologist
Psychotherapist
Counselor
Uplifting children creates more problems then does good in cases like mine. I have never smacked my child in anger, never round the head or anywhere but the bottom, or on the hands. I have never hit her with any object.
My child is more damaged emotionally and developmentally by being out of my care and in CYFS.
I asked a policeman if this was reported what would they do, He said come and check it out and even if they did not lay charges they are required to report it to CYFS. Then God help you. I think its time to change countries.
If we could trust CYFS to use common sense then I would not be in this predicament. We need more people like Graeme who can think, hold others to account and come up with better solutions then CYFS “grab and snatch”
I noted in the written scenarios you kept an open mind considering all the possibilities. While CYFS seen that as a failure I don’t, they assume everyone is guilty you considered the possibilities for and against. They need people like you to balance the other staffs thinking out is they are warped.
To a hammer, everything is a nail!, To CFYS every one is guilty as its on the balance of probability. All they need to say is “WE can not guarantee the child’s safety” then that’s it they keep it. I can not guarantee my car will work every time I turn the key on. I can not guarantee I will not be in a car crash, or be alive tomorrow… Give us a break
Humpty Dyson sat on a wall.
ReplyDeleteHumpty Dyson played the fool.
She tried to bung an empty at
BentBum -Pope and fell off of the wall!
All the security men and all
Queen Helen's Labourites;
Tried to put Humpty Dyson back together again.
After a while, they said:
"Stuff it, she was an egg anyway!"
"We are Back." Great stuff Graeme.
ReplyDeleteI like the comments' about Ruthless Ruths 2-faced stance (Or lack of it!)
on disability.
It's OK jack arse to her,she walks away with a great retirement and perks plan. What of all the people hurt by surgeons who blotch operations paid for by ACC (In my case twice ) by a inept bozo that left me with with lifelong injuries.No compensation & complications
I once wrote her her about the offhand shocking way ACC has treated myself, sent a meaningless letter, no closure. I have been trying to get redress for over 20 yrs.
Minister of Disabilities? try; Duck & Dive!
I protest:
ReplyDeleteI feel it is shameful the way this and other blogs are treating cyfs.
They should already be ashamed at the way they professionly, with top Govt backing, annihilated only several thousands of lives. because one would have thought, with proper planing, thousands more could have benefited.
The ministers, top officials should
at the very least, merit NZ's oldest Award. Right Royal Order of the Boot.
And or,
take the honourable way out and
fall on their pens!
The ones used lacking humanity to sign nearly all rights that Parents,familys, NZer's ever had. these self righteous pillars of Society are a festering boil on the arse of Humanity. They and their green buddys should be, as they spout so much crap,be reassigned
to somewhere like the Auckland Islands.
to bring them back to the harsh realism of the real world.
Or flog them to General motors as: Realistic test Crash Dummies.
Honestly, would anyone notice the difference.
If said crankers think I am picking on them, I go to great pains (like the ones inflicted on myself And Mine), that this is definitely
all in the worst possible taste!
And if you political Putz's reply back in the next 30 minutes, I will
absolutely free. give you a synthetic lifelike stink finger, that you can sit on and twill!
Ruth Dyson is Minister of disability issues, it does not say if she creates them or in fact does anything. Ruth could in fact be the disability issue she clearly can’t think for herself and is brainless allowing your situation to have gone this far.
ReplyDeleteIt’s clear the CEO for the MSD can’t sort his staff out, Ruth can’t sort him out and she’s on her own as labour does not give a shit about CYF complaints.
Labour has had quite a few years to a least get something started and not even done that.
There was a time when honesty, respect meant something in the public services and government. Under MMP anything goes.
Retrospective law passing to justify illegal campaign spending. Some parties refusing to pay the taxpayer back. The Associate Minister of Immigration, Damien O'Connor actions were called into question when the 160 pages of the Ingram Report was released.
Look at how much and for how long Taito Phillip Field was called into question before Labour acted. Helen Clark will go down in history as the prime Minister who lowered standards to save her own political future.
Parliament as a whole ( or should I say hole) has run amuck because they are all to busy trying to stay in power then dealing with the issues of every day New Zealanders. It’s clear now Jenny Shipley was the best woman Prime Minister and not Helen Clark based on current performance and standards. At least Jenny Shipley dealt to Winston Peters when he stepped out of line, you jumped into bed with him figuratively speaking. He is the de facto partner of Labour. Does he spend much time at your place with your husband?
NZ first, the greens, united future have sat by and done nothing about CYFS. Bugger the anti smacking bill deal with CYFS they get away with more abuse then anyone. BRING BACK ACCOUNTABILITY
United Future just lost theirs with the up and coming election.
The Greens are really green and should smoke more weed and hopefully get right off the planet.
New Zealand first should be last in the polls next election, hell Winston’s own electric doesn’t even want him.
Hay Bob the builder can you fix CYFS?
While I have made a few insulting comments this is not a clean fight, CYFS get away with kidnapping kids, How the Fu*k*n hell to you expect us to react. It’s pure bloody torture of the worst kind. For all you parties named who support Labour and thus CYFS behavior “lest we forget” This is Fu*k*n war you ^&^&^^&^&^^)^&^&^&^&&^^^. That comment is not meant to insult world war veterans, I have respect for you and god blesses and thank you all… My father was one….
This is a war on our families, homes and kids and we want to protect them.
The enemy is not out there it’s within New Zealand called CYFS and a useless Government.
That’s right Helen when it gets personal it hurts think how we feel.
Rather then allowing the MSD to shit down blogs and webpages deal with the issues and prove you have what it takes.
I was going to say the chickens will come home to roost, but hopefully next election they will all be voted out as they sat by and let you and CYFS away with it, buy not holding either to account. Come on all the minor parties pull your fingers out, or be out next election.
You all assume CYFS and Ruth care what you all think and say. The fact is they are so think skinned and headed nothing will get through. You would have more chance of Tim Barnett to going straight. Not that I have anything against gay people, what they do in the dark is their prerogative but I personally don’t like getting shafted from behind.
ReplyDeleteCYFS do keep you in the dark about what’s happening and stick it to you from behind when you least expect it. I hope you enjoy the symbolism and graphic pictures in your heads. In the say way people might find this comment disgusting dealing with CYFS is far worse a picture. Making such out there comments is the only way to shock the apathy out of people, or a least get them talking even if it is just because my comments pissed them of LOL.
What about the Maori party it’s our people suffering the most under CYFS
ReplyDeleteGo for it, National gave child welfare huge powers Labour sits on its collective hands in this disgraceful issue of NZ citizens being terrorized. As a vet from a forgotten war, I sometimes wonder if we nuked the wrong bods? The enemy>
ReplyDeletewas asleep and waiting back here!
We were not allowed into the Rsa.
I refuse to wear my NZ medals or
ribbons.
Besides:. I am firmly convinced, after Vietnam, NZ's giddy up & go,
Got up and Buggered off.
Cyps has declared war on Parents and Familys. We have truth & right on our side. We already know what cyfs are! So does the outside world,who have judged them and found them wanting!
Our solidarity will grind these ignoble harbingers of evil and deceit into the gutter where they
belong!
Good question, where does the Maori Party stand in all this tutai, it must be up to their knees by now!
ReplyDeleteThey seem pals with NATs now. Nats gave cyps powers that scare the tutai out of many NZers no matter what colour or flavor they are. The bigger the cheque account the more immune one is. Sadly many of us have even worn through the bones of our butts.
Tariana, as a Rangatira, I am also interested in where the Maori party stands. Especially as cyfs are sending out war partys. UTU ?
The 'Feather of challenge' is in front of you.
I call on you and your Maori Party to pick it up!
Heoi Ano
Te Hemi.
Dont get me started on how bad CYFS are I used to work for them.
ReplyDeleteI have been trying for two hours and finally got on your webpage, you must be getting a lot of traffic and I see you have gone right up in the google ratings. Well done
ReplyDeleteCould you speed the loading of the page up? You are a legend
I see a bit of Art work going around its time to get Ruthless with CYFS
ReplyDeleteOr we need Ruth, less and some one who can. And the picture of a Dyson vacuum cleaner and Ruth Dyson asking “which one sucks the most at their job”
I can not see it on your webpage why not? I only ask because they spelled their, thier and that’s the kind of thing someone with dyslexia would do Given 27% in NZ males have it there could well be another Graeme .
If it was you, well done its bloody funny and different versions have turned up on different pages all over the place. I don’t blame you for mocking them as they tried to you.
Ruth is in charge she needs to take the fall for CFYS failings as the CEO is answerable to her. Or should I say she takes the fool ha ha ha.
This is one of the addresses so you can see what I am talking about.http://watchingcyfs.wordpress.com/
I won’t give anymore links as hopefully the MSD or Government will waist more resources looking for them and leaving families alone,
If I remember some “feral inbreed” did a $20:00 note of Helen Clark the ended up in the truth newspaper. I think it was quoted as being you who designed it
Helen loves the West Coaster NOT.
Val Henry has been on a lot of committees and a very good communicator and trainer. She makes a lot of money from her different roles. She has been on a lot of Government funded things it’s unlikely she would buck the system. She knows what side her bread is buttered on. I agree if CYFS have a complaints authority they would want Val on it to go along with what they want and say.
ReplyDeleteBarbara Greer runs Rata Te Awhina Trust maybe someone should let her know what’s been said and happening. Problem is Rata Te Awhina gets some funding from CYFS so I don’t know if that would be helpful for you or not.
CYFS fund a lot of agencies so getting any Social Services agency to stand up to them is impossible. If CYFS ever do have a complaints authority I hope like hell you get on it instead of some kiss ass.
If anyone does have anything positive to say about CYFS could they call Guinness World Records book to get the claim verified.
ReplyDeleteThat is anyone who does not work for them or get funding or make money from them including foster parents, counselors etc…
There is 7 pages against CYFS I found in 3 seconds on google.
Dam it all I found a positive comment “CYFS need positive change” I don’t think that one counts, hang on try again. Got one CYFS need positive steps towards change, no that’s not one either. Hang on I will try another search engine. No that did not work either. Let’s try negative then.
Results 1 - 10 of about 717 for CYFS +negative. (0.27 seconds) There is no way I will read all them pages .
So Grahams point is proven interview panel. How could he say anything positive about CYFS if it isn’t there to easily find? O that’s right lie, which must be what they must expect people to do.
Graeme if you did end up working for them I would hold no hope for you.
ReplyDeletePeople start of with good intentions and before you know it they believe the lie.
Look at Adolf Hitler he had thousands of people following him and they did some cruel, inhumane, merciless things without question.
In the same way people on the inside did not stand up to Adolf Hitler and blindly followed him, neither will anyone within CYFS stand up to the evil. You need to be easily turned to get a job with them and I can tell you have standards. You would have to bend over drop your pants,,,, and get shafted like I once did by working for them. Their reality is warped; as they have become so embattled they refuse to admit they could be wrong or make a mistake. They replace intelligence with Ignorance just to name a few things.
They say shit just happens, at CYFS that can’t be said “they make it happen”
I stated at 8:00 PM and found nothing positive to say about CYFS anywhere. I should offer a reward for anyone who can.
ReplyDeleteBe careful People you are encouraging CFYS staff to write in now. After all they are the only ones who think they are doing good. Watch out Graeme Ian Wishart said once if they can’t attack the argument they will attack you personally. That’s a sign you won.
ReplyDeleteO they already did that calling into question your skills, qualifications and providers.
No wonder they have gone silent on you.
I stated at 8:00 PM and found nothing positive to say about CYFS anywhere. I should offer a reward for anyone who can. That would be an exercise in foolishness.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like Christine McKenna is as useful as Damien O'Connor and Ruth Dyson.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she should join the labour party followed by her sycophant Val Henry.
Graeme take a look at this
ReplyDeleteAs posted on CYFSWATCH NZ
CYF still failing to collect simple statistics.
Sunday, 08.04.2007, 06:28pm (GMT12)
CYF still failing to collect simple statistics
Sunday, 8 April 2007, 4:02 pm
Press Release: New Zealand National Party
Anne Tolley MP
National’s Associate Welfare (CYF) Spokeswoman
8 April 2007
CYF still failing to collect simple statistics
National Party Associate Welfare (CYF) spokeswoman Anne Tolley is stunned that more than eight months after promising to improve data collection, Ruth Dyson is still not requiring CYF to collate important statistical information.
“Given that the Minister is reportedly considering a new complaints authority for CYF, you’d expect she might have found out how many complaints CYF actually receives. She hasn’t.”
Mrs Tolley is referring to answers to parliamentary questions seeking a breakdown of the complaints to CYF over the past few years.
“The reply was stunning. CYF doesn’t collate the information.
“Responsible Governments measure both the successes and failures of their departments. Pretending failure doesn’t exist won’t work.”
Mrs Tolley says Children’s Commissioner Cindy Kiro has also recently criticised CYF for failing to have a ‘robust internal complaints mechanism’.
“Given that they don’t collate complaints at all, her concerns are understandable.”
In August last year Ruth Dyson said ‘I am pleased to advise that work is under way to develop a new national database that will ensure that complaints can be collated centrally’.
“More than eight months later, the Minister is still unable, or unwilling, to reveal how many complaints CYF receives each year.
“If Labour was serious about delivering better service to some of our most vulnerable families it would want to know where it’s going wrong. Hoping the problems will go away on their own is a recipe for disaster.”
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Well that says it all, Remember if you do as the ostriche does and bury your head in the sand, your ass is sticking out. Refusing to confront or acknowledge a problem, being CYFS does not make it go away.
That’s a sure sign Labour knows they are on the way out and leave it to national to clean up. Then blame national when the shit hits the fan for doing what labour should have done long ago
The government is talking about an independent complaints agency for CYF.
ReplyDeleteWhen Helen Clark basically insured Peter dunes support by granting him his wish of the Children Commission what benefit has it been to us for the cost.
We need to learn from history
...................................
The Families Commission
If asked to name a single thing the Families Commissioner has done, I, like most people I suspect, am hard pressed to recall any achievements.
This is quite unlike other agencies such as the Children's Commissioner where they have had involvement in a number of cases and issues.
Even Peter Dunne, whose party insisted on the creation of the Families Commission, seems luke warm on its achievements.
Think of what else could have been achieved with its $28 million budget. That could get you 80 or so extra social workers for CYPFS.
Posted by David P. Farrar on October 24, 2006 9
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/10/the_families_commission.html
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I suspect the CYF complaint authority will be another lame duck. A complete waist of money and time so the government can avoid responsibility.
No David not 80 CYPFS Social Workers like the ones running round at the moment.
Do you want to hear a sad joke?
ReplyDelete“CYFPS”
Do you want to hear a sad story
‘Ruth Dyson”
What more could one say that has not already been said in this and many other blogs
After having read your webpage I think you have about a much as a 99.99% chance of never, ever being employed by CYFS or the MSD.
ReplyDeleteIn this life or the next. I noted you said you would try even from the grave.
You certainly have shown them all up as being the smarter person.
I just what to point out to the genius that .1% is all needed. LOL
ReplyDeletena, just joking they were never going to employ me to start with so I have lost nothing.
The only reason why I had the first meeting was because Ruth Dyson told CYFS to sort it out. I was told that at the first meeting. That meeting was about trying to shut me up not sort things out ands set me up for the second interview. You can read the rest on my webpage…
I would think the reason why CYFPS would not want to employ you is because of your background, more then your disability. You have had an interesting past from School to now having to stick up for your rights. “You inspired me” I want to commend you for never having given up from what I read in your personal statement. CYFS need to learn “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer”
ReplyDeleteThen they would have some control over you at the moment you can run amuck and say what you want. I think you have shown a really good attitude towards CYFS after the way they have treated you which I think is disgusting and disgraceful.. CYPS would perceive you as a trouble maker not seeing the upside you could be a trouble shooter for them. You have clearly run circles round them with ease.
What worries me if they treated someone like you that badly with you’re reputation and not give it a second thought, God help their clients at their so called mercy ( if they have any) and kids in their care. “absolute power corrupts absolutely” as they are not accountable to anyone for anything. Given the article on this blog about CYFS not gathering statistical information on complaints it seems like there is little hope knowing how many they get and if they are ever addressed. Ruth Dyson could not even get CYFS to do their own job to get her the information as Minister she needed. LOL ha ha
Not only that what dumb assed moron could allow any system to run without these kinds of checks and balances in place. O yes Labour.
I have friends with kids in CYFS care that did standup to them and get less time with their children as a result. That’s pure payback and spiteful to use the kids as Pawns
Your page highlights CYFS dishonesty, underhanded tactics, how they back each other up and won’t back down even when they are wrong. The fact they keep information from people and can’t be trusted to do as they agreed.
They can’t give a straight answer if one comes at all as you have proven and highlighted. You have shown how little the Minister, State Services Commission or CEO can get anything happening to resolve issues in a fair and upright speedy manner.
CYFs require NGO’s to have a complaint system as part of the contracting and auditing requirements. That so they can pull the plug on you if one points out how badly they do their job or CYFs own mistakes. It’s another way of keeping NGO’s and people in line.
ReplyDeleteSo yes CYFs are into protecting their backs, so they protect their patch.
The so called new CYFS complaints authority should work as well as the old Police complaints authority for the police. The CYFS complaints authority will have their friends on it so they can hide behind it from the public and families.
The authority will be independent so they can do what they want and themselves not be accountable to anyone for anything.
That way the Governments get off the hook, CYFs get away with what they want and the Government can wipe there hands of them while they keep doing what they are doing now. If the State Services Commission, Social Worker registration board, ombudsmen’s office, Children’s and Human Rights Commission can’t hold CYFs to account now what’s the point of another agency. The government will write the charter for them in a way that gives the appearance of having teeth, but restrict their ability to be effective.
It might end up like the Waitangi tribunal. Part-time when they should be fulltime an under resourced so as to restrict them.
NGO’s watch what you are saying if CYFS are paying.
ReplyDeleteCYFS will say they are under resourced and staffed, I think that’s a rather a laugh, given your case. I can hardly believe they had the bulls to say some of that stuff to your face.
Parents: If you have children in their care be very aware, CYFS don’t fight fair.
If you complaint and become their pain, they will drive you insane.
Visits cancelled and on hold, not even the child is told, they will leave you all on the outer cold, so just do what you are F*c*en told.
Stop asking any questions and don’t be pains, you are in our kingdom now where CYFS rule and rain.
If ever there was an example of not what to do CYFS, listen now “its you”
To work for them you need to be cut and not bleed, lost all touch with humanness and humanity. Believe the lie and think it surreal, uplifting kids from parents is no big deal.
It doesn’t matter kids hearts will soon heal, as tears roll from there eyes as if an onion was being peeled.
As the river forms at their feet, o my God do the kids look sweet.
It they get to venerable and upset I will bribe them to be good with a pet, or something else until they no longer weep, and think I am neat, Believing us to be their god saving the from evil, falling at and kissing our feet.
Kids we are the only ones able to provide you with anything stable, within the budge and resources we have if it can be fixed with cash. If money can buy love we will soon see as we have a bigger better budget for bribery then you poor parents as you will soon see.
Form an attachment with the new doll that might be good for your soul and replace your parents of old.
Kids don’t speak about CYFS out of turn otherwise we will show you what hell is till we burn out of you, every hope and aspiration and you come crying to us in pure desperation.
I will go on bribing them to be my friend until my employment does end.
As they can’t have anything stable, let’s get them diagnose with a label that’s not to fable. Then we can justify ourselves calling the kids mentally unstable if they start to question what they cant possibly understand, Like why can’t I go see my granny,
“It’s not like she’s a prostitute or a tranny she is very nice her name is Anne”
CYFS say: We only have your best interest at heart, that’s why we ripped your family life apart, it’s for your own protection kids; we keep you in the dark.
We can’t tell you what really happened or who was a nark, , the truth seems to be somewhat elusive, that’s why our investigation is ongoing and still inconclusive.
Hay kids better off safe then sorry, that’s why now you are our worry.
Ask me know questions, I tell you know lies, lets hold of answering anything, watching the years fly bye bye.
All parents are really bad, why do they go so mad when we turn up to help, because you allegedly gave the kids the belt.
I can’t tell you who made the complaint; soon the memory of your kids will grow faint.
It’s all for the kids even if they look sad, not to long and they will forget their dad..
Shoved from pillar to post they seem to be enjoying it and making the most of a bad situation that’s not that uncommon in our healthy nation.
Looks like we got to them just in time CYFS intervention must have been divine.
While this might not rime that well, Please understand my heart is breaking having been through so much hell, thank God for these websites for our story to tell.
I am sure you get the point; I hope this puts CYFS nose out of joint.
I have written to Ruth twice and tried to be nice, as you are not listening have to resort to vice, that’s why what I have to say about you isn’t particularly nice.
Ruth and Labour need to go as we all very well know.
Excuse my spelling and grammar out of place but its hard my anger, having to face as my mind seems to race.
http://www.cyfswatch.org/index.php?mod=article&cat=fun&article=789
ReplyDeleteNow for some CULTURE.
ReplyDeleteNah can;t, Cyfs already have their own brand: 'Sickus astis Hades.'
Scientific thought in great depth,
concludes that this is spread by
being in close contact with the alpha
beings in the same structure, shredding cells. Hence influencing other lower- life forms they are in contact with. Neg charged ions abound.
spreading out, targeting positive
sites and by its nature, not fully understood, try to destroy by bending and forcing to its' will.
Others strongly believe these life forms are effected with a strain of
flesh eating disease, that only attacks brain matter. (Drives all positive thinking out of the system).
By experimentation, it has shown that ethernet combined with blog
spread out on a bed of electronic
highway, drives the infestation into the light. It is this formula
that has been most successful so
far, in highlighting the the destructive, acid like intrusive nature of this blot on humanity.
A blot now known by its more common name and feared like cancer is:>>>CYFS>> Others have different names for it. Sadly; many are unprintable.
One of the factors controlling this ongoing outbreak is said to have
Mad Cow Disease ( Mad Moo Madness)
Only one cure. Stomp it all out,with extreme prejudice!
Things may come.
ReplyDeleteThings may go.
Gezz Cyfs are slow.
Do they not get it.
The people have spoken.
It is time for you to,
Get your Shit together!
Like, About NOW>
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteI remember you now, in 1999 you went to parliament and took on the LTSA, AA and Maurice Williamson MP, I think you called him Wimpason as he refused to meet you on the doorstep with John Banks MP when you come up. What is it with you and the MSD.
They told you to get the licenses to get a job and you said in your personal statement.
Then the government put the fees up overnight. Well you won and had them lowered.
Now the MSD who paid for you to be a Social worker rubbishes you LOL. So now I hear on Radio you are heading back up to Wellington to protest again. Boy your life does go round in circles.
Go get them, I will meet you there is you announce when?
There are two Dyson posters if not more, one is
ReplyDeletehttp://watchingcyfs.wordpress.com/
And the other:
http://www.cyfswatch.org/index.php?mod=article&cat=fun&article=789
Copy and paste the link into your internet address bar and then hit enter.
Way to go I can not wait to see the one on Damian O'Connor, MP.
I guess you are going all out to get the useless MPs out.
This labour Government is on the way out and the earned it. As for the minor parties that support labour doing nothing about CYFs, you will face a backlash…
ReplyDeleteMMP means More Morons Please, No thanks..
O the great Helen Cark, play dumb and pretend you have no idea what CYFPS are doing in the dark. Ruth is useless and rather toothless. While you deflect the public with the smacking Bill, innocent families CYFPS still kill.
ReplyDeleteThe Family First Lobby has a number of concerns regarding the bill to repeal s59 of the Crimes Act (“Hands off”, September 23) – concerns shared by 80 percent of Kiwis (average of public polls), who can tell the difference between discipline with a smack and child abuse.
ReplyDeleteThe police have already indicated that they will need to investigate any complaint, which will immediately place a family under enormous pressure. CYF have a zero tolerance to smacking and already seek prosecution – often irrespective of the police’s view. “Time out” and even the threat of touching could become assault under this bill. That is an unacceptable burden on parents.
Repealing s59 will not stop child abusers. It is drug abuse, alcohol abuse, poverty and the breakdown of marriages and families that leads to abuse. Of the five countries with the lowest child abuse rate in the Unicef report, four allow smacking.
S59 is not protecting child abusers. Of the 18 cases from 1990 to 2002, only six who used s59 as a defence were found not guilty – six successful defences under s59 in 12 years. Child abusers cannot hide and are not doing so behind s59.
We should be encouraging parents as they face the sometimes difficult task of raising children – not threatening and penalising them for using appropriate and effective discipline that has been used for generations to good effect.
—Bob McCoskrie, National director, Family First Lobby (Auckland)
Section 59 already bans beating and bashing your child. What it does allow for is what is reasonable – like giving your screaming, fit-throwing two-year-old who refuses to stop kicking you while you try to change their nappy a smack on the leg and a stern telling-off. It allows a parent the right to teach their three-year-old that if they hop out of bed one more time they will get a short sharp smack on their bottom. Section 59 allows parents to smack but does not allow them to abuse that right and that child. Changing the law will make good parents criminals but will not make an ounce of difference to the abusers.
—E Parkinson (Mt Wellington, Auckland)
Physical abuse of children establishes in the minds of those children that physical violence will achieve an outcome. When they become capable of inflicting violence to achieve a goal (burglary, for example) they will do so without compunction. Thus the violence of one person against a defenceless child converts to an adult’s violence against the whole community.
—Andrew DuFresne (Tuakau)
I lived and worked with rural Lao, Shan and Lahu people for several years. They would have regarded an adult who struck a child as pathologically insane. Their children learned good behaviour from older role models. They also learned empathy: the ability to see how their behaviour might make another person feel. They were always well behaved and no one had to tell them to be so.
Ours is a violent and abusive society, and legislation will not stop that. But throwing some of the worst offenders in jail might have a salutary effect on the rest. Maybe there could be a column in each newspaper to list child abusers of the week. With photos.
—Terry Marsh (Beachhaven, Auckland)
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3464/letters/7097.html;jsessionid=0DF96C94FCA798F77BE18EA053F5749D
CYFS Suck, they lie, cover things up and keep getting away with it.
ReplyDeleteComplain all you like the talking stage is over now its time to fight.
ReplyDeleteRuth Dyson is as helpful as David Benson Pope, Nothing can be compaired to David. Most things can go for recycling even waste and rubbish. Ruth Dyson is the Waist and David Benson Pope the rubbish.
ReplyDeleteIf it’ has the name Bradford and in parliament anything they do is doomed to fail.
ReplyDeleteIn the same way Max Bradford reforms failed so will Sue Bradford’s.
I read one comment where something about cyfs cracking down with their no smack policy. Or something similar.
ReplyDeleteThe the rub! Cyfs follow double standards. What of a child molested while in cyfs care.Parents complained. Cyfs brought their full force against this family and covered up.
Child was uplifted again. Child
abused by caregivers family.
This happened over quite a period of time. One incident; Child told social worker. Well into six months
later cyfs finally got back to the child to interview her. In a child that time gap was a lifetime away.
Parents told near to a year after
incident, (one of MANY).
Many children are uplifted and face
abuse in many forms while in cyfs hands.
Many just cope by trying not to>rock the boat>
Cyfs: claim "Child comes first, child's
welfare is paramount."
Myth and lies.
Many children silently suffer from 'Stockholms syndrome.' This is where a person (or Child,) is held
or in a situation where it is near impossible to leave. AND: Has to,
as a victim of circumstances, usually beyond their control,
do whatever it takes to survive!
This often means; pretending abuse is not happening, not reporting it as cyfs only believe foster parents, and foster parents will punish me more. And a lot worse.
Child can live with fear, separation / Anxiety disorders.
Told their parents could not look after them, that was why they were in care.
In the end this child was taken from these foster parents.
Both Cyfs and Foster parents, still deny anything wrong was done.
This child was ripped from her loving parents twice. Not a whiff of abuse by parent. Cleared by cyfs and police investigations.
Still holding onto the child.
The excuses for hanging on this child,long forgotten or worn out, not the issue.
The police investigation into the second uplift, called it a Home Invasion and worse case of cyfs abuse this senior policeman had ever heard of.
This is only a small part of a true story of parents and their little
child shamefully abused for being good loving parents.
The Parents are looking at maybe setting up their own blog and set out what is a systematic, deliberate attack on a family by a
psycotic complete nutter of a cyfs worker and the ongoing cover-ups
including a second uplift the shut the parents up.
The only abuse of this child, has all been done while in cyfs hands
not the parents.
STATE SANCTIONED CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST SOCIETY, AGAINST INNOCENT
PEOPLE AND CHILDREN>
THIS AND OTHER GOVTS DID AND DO NOTHING>
ALL THIS ON YOUR HEAD BE>
YOU ARE WORSE THAN CYFS< YOU KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING AND WORSE, ALL OVER NZ. AND YOU MP's DO NOTHING!
YOU ARE JUST AS, IF NOT MORE GUILTY> HISTORY IS JUDGING YOU NOW AND FINDING YOU WANTING>
Finally:
ReplyDeleteA good word for cyfs.
FUNDAMENTAL ORIFACES.
Translation:
Pure, 1 0 0 percent,
A R S E H O L E S
Labour are a bunch of cowards more worry about staying in power then helping everyday New Zealanders. Labour with CYFS. This election they will get what’s due to them.
ReplyDeleteI agree we can thank Helen Clark for being gutless.
Every time I read another story about CYFS its worse then the last one. Problem is there is so many stories I we need to life time to get through them all.
ReplyDeleteOur class has been discussing your page, debating ethical issues of what you have been saying. We agree with your conclusion on the EEO policy. Well done and good thinking.
ReplyDeleteCYFS clearly didn’t want to understand your disability as far as memory and sequencing issues judging by the feedback they gave. Or should I say acknowledge it.
ReplyDeleteI just did a simple google search on Dyslexia to see if what you were saying was plausible and sure enough you’re right. The second interview would have been more stressful and I agree under duress and have 2/3 of the same panel back was dumb of CYFS. They are so cocky they don’t care about giving the appearance of a fair chance or being shown to give you a favorable opportunity. Them reason alone makes them look bad and make sit look like a set up as you claimed. I agree they needed that second bad interview result as the first one is good.
Mind you maybe they did understand your disability and knowing you would be more stressed played on it like you claimed. They really are underhanded the more I think about it and reread the webpage I can see why you think that way… I was going to go and work for them but after reading how upper management treated you, like hell now.
If they can’t see what they have done is wrong then they are corrupt therefore the organization itself is suspect.
People should just stop complaining and get over it, I don’t expect CYFS to act like the professional’s they are meant to be and neither will they with Ruth Dyson or Labour in.
ReplyDeleteCYFS rule of terror will continue until the next election and we get a government that can do something about them.
What else to do you expect from these pricks
ReplyDeleteWhat can someone say that has not already been said before? CYFS keep stooping to even lower levels with every new blog and website that’s set up to expose them.
ReplyDeleteHow long before Helen Clark orders action is she has the balls.
I noticed one comment said something about; it might take a lifetime to
ReplyDeleteread or get through all the stories
about how cyfs hurt parents, familys and children, whatever.
A lot of us will take that same lifetime to get over what happened to us and our familys.
What goes around, comes around, you treated us badly cyfs and your over paid, gutless bosses covered up.
You abused us once too often, we are fighting back.
See what it is like when : Truth will out, and cyfs true nature is
fully exposed.
In the 1930's many said the Nazis were doing a great job!
This Govt and its' hangers on claim
cyfs is doing a great job.
When the Nazis were exposed for what they really were, History slammed them as a total disgrace to humanity and normal society.
Now the spotlight is on cyfs for similar activites.
Who gives a rats for what history says about cyfs, we know what you are, now so does the rest of the world. Hell is too good for some of you. You are LEPERS, unclean!
CYFS, Greymouth are bloody hopeless try and arrange a visit with your children and listen to the array of excuses. They still need more staff Graeme.
ReplyDeleteWhen Puao-te-Ata-tu come out it took the department a while to face the facts they did discriminate and today we face the same attitude in a different situation with Graeme. How long before CYFS wake up and smell the coffee. Every report is worse and ignored more then the last.
ReplyDeleteGo get them Graeme and if they ever grow a brain and offer you a job please turn it down you are way to honest and good to work for them.
Birds of a feather flock together, scum attracts scum.
...Past performance predicts future behavior...
Come on Val Henry write in or to Graeme and put the record straight. Do you agree with everything CYFS have said and done to Graeme.
ReplyDeleteIf not, why have you not spoken out? If you do agree with CYF then one has to question if you are nothing more then a puppet. As a Maori I want an Iwi representative that supports fairness, justice and the Maori way, which is different to how Graeme was treated during the interview process. I don’t believe in hire a Maori for tokenism as Graeme hinted at but not quite in these words. You are CYFS Iwi representative not the local one so how much of their control are you under.
Rata Te Awhina who you work for should be ashamed to have one of their staff involved with such a sham. Come on Barbara Greer what do you have to say about this all as it’s clearly not going to go away. Or do you not what to bite the CYFS hand the feeds you.
Graeme I don’t know if you realize it but the blog is really slow at loading and so is your webpage. Mind you that could be because there is a lot of people looking at it; you are world famous in Greymouth
ReplyDeleteCYFS are a bunch of mongrels that can not be trusted.
ReplyDeleteWhile they hide behind their desk not giving a shit about yours and others WebPages they should know we think they are scum.
These pages and blogs adds to the already bad image CYFS have, so when you turn up to someone’s house and get abused know this and other WebPages feed the fair, hatred behind the abuse you now face. Every bit of abuse CYFS get they deserve as you support the system by working for those that destroy families.
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteCopy and paste the link from below its by far the best overview of CYFS mistakes and ideas to fix them. It’s a huge document well worth reading…
There seems to be some ongoing themes but rather then get into them all here is some relevant to what you and other are saying…
1, Lack of inter-agency co-ordination
2, Inconsistency of removal policy
Difficulties in recruiting and retaining experienced staff finally, the pressurised working environment at CYF has also led to difficulties in recruiting and retaining experienced staff. CYF reports an average annual turnover of frontline social workers of 15.8%, although this masks the fact six sites had a turnover greater than 25% and two of these had a turnover higher than 35%.
Go to this link:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0404/S00010.htm
or click on the heading and it will take you to it...
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteBack again take a look at this one..........................
Kick Sue & Helen's S59 Bill - In the Nutshell
Politics, posted: 29-MAR-2007 11:53
Much of the debate around the Anti-Smacking Bill is focussing on the details and the semantics, and forgetting the big picture...
1. How many of the children who have died from "child abuse" were already known to government agencies before they died?
Answer: Most, if not all. Therefore, there is no need to accept hearsay accusations of child mistreatment (from busybodies, estranged spouses, etc) since social workers, doctors and other public officials are generally already aware of children "at risk".
2. How many children died from smacking (as the NZ public understand the term), and how many from beating, hitting or bashing (as the bill's proponents call it)?
Answer: None died from smacking, because it is "reasonable force". In fact, none were abused by smacking, because it is "reasonable force". Only children who were "beaten, hit or bashed" ended up dead. We know that those are all "unreasonable force" and NZ juries do find such parents guilty, UNDER EXISTING LAW. No law change is required to stop child abuse. Instead, questions need to be asked about what factors lead to higher incidence of child abuse (eg welfare, relationship breakdown, etc).
3. If the concern of Bradford and Clark is ostensibly "child abuse", then does that warrant allowing the state into the private lives of families (and the threat of removal of children into CYFS care -- there's an oxymoron) on the basis of hearsay evidence of smacking for correction?
Answer: Of course not. This is an ideological bill aimed only at undermining parental authority, and transferring more power to the State. The aim is not smacking or correction -- it's goal is greater government influence in raising children.
Link
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/dmw/2549
Link within the heading "Cick on title/heading "Sue & "Helen's S59 Bill said..." and it will take you to the webpage.
This is an interesting comment I think others need to know about…
ReplyDeleteWant people to remember complaints to CYF can be anonymous and burden of proof is the balance of probability.
All CYF have to say is “we can not guarantee the safety of the child” to the judge and that’s it.
I can not guarantee my car will start every morning, or I will not get hit by a truck etc… See the problem
All it takes is a grumpy neighbor, step child, parent, ex-wife/husband to say you smacked or seen raising your hand to a child and that’s it.
If something has been proven to be inconclusive CYFS can still hang onto the child, or stop access.
Read the other blogs and WebPages and you can see this has been happening.
http://watchingcyfs.wordpress.com/
http://kiwidadz.blogspot.com/
http://www.familyintegrity.org.nz/
http://starstuddedsuperstep.com/section59/index.htm
http://www.menz.org.nz/
Could all these people be wrong?
MPs emails
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pImueybmFFrW488AMhzk_HQ
Graeme, if the other missing comments had not been scoffed by gremlins,
ReplyDeletewould now number over a 100 plus.
Sadly a lot are about treatment of parents by Greymouth cyfs of a very negative nature.
I have been informed that officially Greymouth cyps do not have a problem with getting persons to take visits.
"Huh?" So the majority of persons
trying to see their uplifted kiddos'
are making up stories as they have nothing better to do?
Funny thing is: they are all telling the same tales of woe.
Parents have no control over when they can see their kids are are at the mercy of cyfs.
Yes cyps personal do punish parents for complaining or to teach them a lesson. This is fact; backed up by victims of this and ex-cyfs workers.
Are parents informed what hours they can have, entitled to by law .
Or; judge hawe ruled; what times, and length of such... being carried out?
Cyfs Greymouth is not being honest and the chickens are hatching out.
Whoops, they are turning into bloody- great, angry roosters.who are somewhat pissed -off ;about no visits, lack of people/personal to
run or take visits. canceled visits, shorter visits.
Parents are upset enough at mindless taking of their children,
then cyfs wants to piss them off more.
But, hey, what is the official line being spun to cyfs bosses!
We have plenty of staff to cover all visits.
SORRY CYFS GREYMOUTH< THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT YOU AND WHAT YOUR BOSSES SAY, TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE REAL WORLD.
Or> Put more darkly, you enjoy kicking dogs when they are down.
Or> are you so bored from picking on each other! As parents are now getting wise to yourselves, and Blogs like this are bringing parents together!
This concept is not new to you, cyfs only come together over anything, when it cover arses of sick individuals you employ, so you
can gang up target parents. ( Also confirmed by many victims ans ex-cyfs workers).
This Govt spends millions on refugees, turns loving parents into
refugees in their own country.
To justify what? cyfs has the power to grind parents into the dust. To prove what?
Children are just: PAWNS. Legal victims of > Abduction
Repression> The exertion of strict control over others.
Segregate>To separate a group or person from the rest.
Trauma> An extremely distressing experience that can cause lasting Psychological damage.
Alex Woolf's exemplary book talks on these matters, it is called>
GENOCIDE ...
Bit extreme? No, but what some
cyfs workers do or cause, is so
close to state sanctioned genocide
that the horror and suicides can be laid clearly at cyfs door.
Who is the biggest victim?
Children, wrongfully uplifted!!!!!
CYFS Greymouth cut visits short because they can’t get people to take them. That’s if the visits happen when they can find someone to supervise. That office is not likely to admit this is happening and yet again another example of a cover up.
ReplyDeleteThe longest visits I had was 2 hours and shortest about one. Seeing your child 9 times a year is not good enough. People in prison get more regular access.
Maybe if I went off at the office and end up in prison one might get better access. Maybe that’s the only way for CYFS to take notice and get their attention.
I agree Valerie Henry is the CYFS Iwi Representative not a local one LOL
ReplyDeleteWith Christine McKenna know ones a winner, while she is at large and meant to be in charge.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at this...............
ReplyDeleteAs posted on CYFWATCH NZ
More power, but no checks to power = family abuse.
Thursday, 12.04.2007, 10:50pm (GMT12)
Hi,
I have been thinking about my unpleasant experiences with CYFS recently, and some thoughts have clarified in the process. The problem in dealing with CYFS is this: that it is your morality against theirs. And if your morality doesn’t fit theirs, then they have the power to invade your family and remove your rights as a parent, without any evidence. Even though you may not have broken any law. The public needs protection against this. While some years back, CYFS powers were increased enormously, the public’s powers of protection were not. The powers of social workers increased, but no simultaneous system of objective checking and balancing was put in place, to make sure that they were using this increased power wisely and sensibly. This is very undemocratic, and we are now seeing the devastating consequences of this. So, in summary: increased state powers, no effective monitoring system, no increased public protection. Sound like a recipe for disaster????? That’s exactly what we have got!
Click in the title/heading to go to the webpage... "Power & abuse CYFS said"
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteTak a look at all this
'The Swedish Myth: The Corporal Punishment Ban and Child Death Statistics'
"14% Increase in Child Abuse despite Swedish Smacking Ban".
http://www.murielnewman.co.nz/guest46.htm
I like the webpage and blog keep up the good work. It show CYFS up and just how corrupt the management are from the top down. They really do lead by example.
ReplyDeleteI noted Rae Smith said he was disappoint you seen the need to go to the media. Then Christine Stevenson wrote to you mentioning you are clearly still dissatisfied. So what have they done since to help resolve the issues for you.
If they are going to spout of such BS and expect the public to believe it then lets see the proof. They clearly kept things from you, failed to address issues and forced the second interview “Judy larking call emails”, when they could have postponed it till things were sorted. And yes kept mainstream of the radar, after the first good interview result. So unless CYFS claim you made it all up or you failed to tell us all something it all seems clear to me.
I don’t see anything in CYFS responses that address these issues.
I would believe you Graham before I believe them…
Greymouth cyfs are like jellyfish.
ReplyDeleteNasty, stinging and gutless wonders.
And can be seen for what they are. Not for what they say they are.
Out of their environment, turn to slime!
Shades of: Friday the 13th.
The Greymouth office is so far removed from the head offices view that anything you say will not matter. The problem is that Head offices have their heads so far up themselves they know they are gutless and have no heart as they ca see it from the inside. After all can’t they stick a camera up people to see their insides??
ReplyDeleteCYFS are hollow, heartless and gutless and if you could see in their heads brainless.
The problem is the camera would have to push past a pile of sh*t and the head in the way lol.
It seems after reading your webpage CYFS have a lot to answer for if anyone does hold them accountable LOL.
ReplyDeleteO lord forgive CYFS, they know not what they do, I mean they really don’t have a clue.
ReplyDeleteIn the same way you can’t blame a dumb animal for being what they are forgive CYFS. Maybe CYFS are the missing link. “Monkeys”
No sorry that’s not fair on the Monkeys they are way more useful and intelligent the CYFS staff from what I have seen and heard… The might be the end result of what a monkey has digested… Graham Don’t ever go and work for them, they need you more then you could ever need them, but they are to stupid to see it… Thank God you are on our side and not theirs working for them. That would be selling your soul to the devil or being a Judas' “betrayal”
I was in Graeme’s class at CPIT and can assure CYFS he is way shaper then they have given him credit for. You go for it Graeme and remember it’s their loss not yours.
ReplyDeleteThe Greymouth office of CYFS is a mess, Look at the amount of staff they turn over. The manager needs to go problem is what will replace it something else even worse. “God help us all and save us from CYFS”
ReplyDeleteWhile it has been said the Nelson office over sees the Greymouth office, do they over see the mistakes and sit idly by and do nothing. So much for Nelson being the regional office they have enough problems of their own.
Hay Chris Pickering, Does your title “Team Leader Professional Services” mean you professionally help people get screwed over?
You were clearly no help to Graeme and not Professional from what I read in your comments.
With Pam Walkinshaw, looking after the South Island there’s no hope, let alone those above her who clearly helped sort the issues Graeme raised out. NOT
Heard the latest.
ReplyDeleteIt is offic1al. Cyfs are officially DUMB & STUPID
WHY?
Most can not pass normal social worker exams or similar, so some dipstick came up with a new idea.
Like most of their ideas . friggin
stupid to the max!
Cyfs have decided to have their own INHOUSE> examinations/tests whatever. The thought is: enabling the dumbest cluckers among them to pass. How Pathetic.
These diplomas -certs will be worth nothing in the real world.
Supergrass> told me, that even if the office cleaner, or a stray mutt or moggy walked into their office,
was able to put their> it 'X' on
a exam paper, they are hired.
I doubt the later. Lets face the truth, cleaners, mutts & scratchers
have well known, higher IQ's
than cyfs so it would not be worth their time for two reasons.
1> they are too smart and would be given the push.
2> Too smart for promotion
Well folks, that is the latest lowdown on lowlifes.Boring b#$%#ds
The $65,000 a year loony who runs Greymouth Cyfs, never there, never does bugger all is getting more salary.
ReplyDeleteShe is getting promoted and leaving.
Proves what most of us already knew.
If you are a doppy suck arse, the
higher up the foodchain you go.
It also means, cyfs are in a roundabout way proving another point.
Her shifting also makes her less liable for all the hardship and horror this utter pull through,
leaves behind . Cyfs only know two things.
Deny & Coverups.
The tax payers money goes to pay spin doc's & lawyers and shrinks to make it happen.
Cyfs can do no wrong.
Can't get it right either, "Ya Dorks."
The bitch running CYS Greymouth is going, whens the farewell pissup.
ReplyDeleteShould book the boose down to her mate Val whats her name. yeah.
ReplyDelete'Party party, get rid of the tarty.'
Hurray F*&^%K .Bye bye shit for brains pie.
How many cyfs workers does it take to get combined brain power to match normal IQ of a average social worker
ReplyDeletewho does not work for these ratbags?
Whew, thats tricky.
10.
nope, ah 25, nah, thats not right either.
Right, 125 - 3 add .25 . Nah wrong again.
145 plus ?
nope, I will get there!
250 for sure, exactly? well that
is a near impossible question.
Hell rats have 3 X the I
I am dealing here with microscopic
amounts of brain matter here.
On the Thichness Scale, they are off the scales!.
I would say without a word of a lie, no one has yet studied the brain power of the> Super Thick.
There is: Inner space ,Outer space ,this lot come under> MT Space!
Dense and useless. Stuff it, I'm off to watch the grass grow.
Gezz the witch from cyfs here is going, pass the hat around, get her a ticket out of here, before cyfs change their cotton picking minds.
ReplyDelete'Hurray cluck.'
Sorry all on MSN, False alarm, the manager of CYFS Christine McKenna is not leaving, mind you was she ever really there? Lights are on but no one was home.
ReplyDeleteI hope this new did not upset her friend Valerie Henry.
Hi Graham
ReplyDeleteTake a look at this..............
posted on CYFSWATCH New Zealand
Friday, February 23rd, 2007
MEDIA RELEASE
23 January 2007
Anti-CYF Blogsite Due to Lack of Accountability
Family First calls for a CYF Complaint AuthorityA new blogsite which offers parents a means to vent their frustrations at Child Youth and Family is simply an outcome of a lack of transparency and accountability over the activities of CYF.
“There is no avenue for people who feel they have been unfairly treated by the Child, Youth and Family,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First.
“Family First is being regularly contacted by families who claim to have been unfairly treated by CYF Social Workers - yet these parents who’s families have been torn apart have no independent body to appeal to. Their only option is a costly court process where CYFS have an unlimited pool of resources to defend its actions, courtesy of the taxpayer.”
“This is grossly unfair when families are being ripped apart, often just based on the subjective judgment of a social worker,” says Mr McCoskrie.
CYF themselves admit that they do not always get it right. There is also evidence that CYFS are not following their own procedures, and are not acting where they should.
Bob McCoskrie has a background of social work in
South Auckland for 15 years and knows too well how difficult it is to get CYF to intervene on the really urgent cases. Yet there is no real avenue for appeal in these cases either.
“There is a Health and Disability Commissioner, a Police Complaints Authority, even a Motor Vehicle Disputes Tribunal,” says Mr McCoskrie. “We desperately need an independent body to hear complaints about the highly sensitive nature of intervening in families.”
Family First calls on all MP’s, the majority who will have received anecdotal evidence of claims of unfair treatment by CYF, to support the urgent establishment of a CYF Complaint Authority.
ENDS
For more information contact Family First:
Bob McCoskrie JP - NATIONAL DIRECTOR
Tel. 09 261 2426 | Mob. 027 55 555 42
email. bob@familyfirst.org.nz | www.familyfirst.org.nz
P.O. Box 276-133, Manukau City, Auckland, New Zealand
Family First NZ (Inc) was formed in April 2006 to speak up in the public domain on family issues. It has a Board of Trustees, a Board of Reference including Ex-All Black Michael Jones, TV personalities Jim Hickey and Anthony Samuels, over 200 financial supporters and over 2,000 e-mail supporters.
"Graeme's tutor 2" comments do not surprise me at all, and I have no problem believing them given my experiences with CYFS as a worker.
ReplyDeleteIf CYFS are doing their own eternal qualifications it makes a mockery of the social work education system. If CYFS make so many mistakes they are hardly a good example to follow. The qualification will not be worth the paper it’s written on.
It’s not like CYFS have been accused of being untrustworthy, unethical or discriminated against people? RIGHT! If you can’t trust them in one area can you trust them with anything? I am sure they will be as honest with their assessment as they are with their practice LOL
CYFS attitude is nothing unusual and I am not surprised they treated Graeme in this way.
ReplyDeleteCYFS have a god complex, they think they are almighty and powerful and can say and do as they want without control. They lord it over their victims while they punish the bad parents. They are judge and jury.
It will continue until someone makes them accountable and I think that’s unlikely while labor is in charge.
I think they take more after adolf Hitler he ruled with fear thinking he knew what was best.
BUGGER< BUGGER BUGGER<
ReplyDeleteThat overpaid, excuse for a Manager staying
WOTS IT TAKE?
Make like the KKK , put on the white sheets and burn a cross outside her office?
Nah! they are so dumb, they would think it is 'Nov 5th,' whip with firecrackers and join in.
What was plan >B >????
Graeme from what I read on your webpage, do you mean to tell me that Social Workers already have the following:
ReplyDelete1, New Zealand Association of Social Workers (nzasw) code of ethics
2, The New Zealand Public Service Code of Conduct.
3, Social Worker registration board Code-of-Conduct
And now people are proposing an independent complaints authority for CYFS to go on top of this all. You stated “let’s not reinvent the wheel but rather fix what we have. I agree because, if these codes are meant to be abided by then it seems the problem is enforcing them within CYFS practices. I agree and see your point.
Why have another set of rules, codes for CYF to ignore and the extra expenses involved.
From what I understand the nzasw code of ethics is based on a world wide standard adopted and tailor-made for New Zealand.
From what you have been saying if I read it right anything less then that is a rip off, for New Zealanders no matter how you spin it.
Let’s see if anyone else agrees with this and will help push it along as the minister clearly hasn’t. They should put someone like you in charge of any CYFS complaints authority, as your webpage shows you to be a good thinker and someone who will stand up and say when things don’t seam right and won’t give up until the answers come forth.
Last comments interesting
ReplyDeleteSome of us are looking at getting a full investigation-inquiry into cyfs.
Secondly: Full time Body , with wide ranging powers etc to keep cyfs in line etc. Sorry this is the short version. The long one is fairly comprehensive, and none of cyfs business at present, let them sweat, I know those rats look at this and other blogs that ask for changes to how cyfs are run and justice for familys and especially children.
WATCH THIS SPACE.
Meanwhile, the draft copy of our front page for a petition for changes to the way cyfs is run,
has been sent to a well respected MP who is helping us..
Putting it mildly, cyfs will take one look at our soon to be finalized petition, and know what cyfswatch did to them was only a flea bite.
The wording of the petition will totally freak them out.
Sorry to say your idea is misguided. I suggest you get a hold of the New Zealand Association of Social Workers (nzasw) code of ethics before you comment any further. The nzasw already has the policy & procedures and complaints system in place. What it needs is the resources and extra people followed by a Government mandate in place to enforce the code. They should be allowed to make recommendations to the family court and CYFS/SSC management along with safety panels.
ReplyDeleteOnce you read the code then feel free to write in and tell me where it fails…
I can assure you it’s a very good and comprehensive code. Graeme made a flippant comment about what he would do if he was the minister to sort this out…
I am a local working in the Social Services area and not a fan of CYFS.
Your idea would take to long and run the risk of being railroaded. The principles of the nzasw code of ethics are world wide standards developed by Social Workers and been tested and proven to work. This the world wide body of Social Workers agreement of standard much to the dislike of Governments.
If they had the power, mandate with the right people like Graeme who take no shit and do not suffer fools then it would work. If you got someone like Val Henry on it then give up its F*C*ed. The rules are only as good as the power and people to enforce them. But first you need the people they are meant to govern to be willing to obey them and have the integrity to uphold them to the best of their ability… That’s part of a Graeme quote… They guy has a lot of great ideas….
If only CYFS would see that….
I think the people, who wrote in need to take a look at what they both have in common,
ReplyDeleteYes we need an independent complaints authority with some real power and the right people on it to hold CYFS accountable.
Yes I think we need to learn from out mistakes as follows, I would like to add to the list…
1, New Zealand Association of Social Workers (nzasw) code of ethics
2, the New Zealand Public Service Code of Conduct, (Sate Services Commission)
Go to http://government-agencies-nz.blogspot.com/and see what the SSC powers are…
3, Social Worker registration board Code-of-Conduct
4, Human Rights Commission
5, Children’s commission
6, Ombudsmen’s office
7, Care and Protection Resource Pane
Then we have the courts that are meant to dispense justice. The problem with that is they listen to CYFS point of view to much assuming they have no hidden agenda and the information they get is correct (without bias)… The Family court has to believe CYFS really…
The only people out of the group that have the power to do anything is the SSC and they are Government lackeys. The other 5 have very limited powers and can not overturn CYFS decision or advocate for people, which is not their fault…
As for number 7 well CYFS clearly have their friends on many of them making them useless. With the Children’s commission well I have no idea what they do apart from take $28 million to run.
I agree the nzasw code of ethics is the standard to follow but the Government would not go along with it. It is very clear and comprehensive unlike the New Zealand Public Service Code of Conduct which is wish-washy.
I am not sure if the nzasw could be the best people to oversee it or if they would want to however their code is the way to go “READ IT”
I think is based on the International Federation of Social Workers (IFSW)
http://www.ifsw.org/en/p38000324.html
The other point is we need a regional complaints hearings and sittings on an as needed bases and the resources for that.
Be careful what you wish for because when you get it might find it doesn’t work.
I think the Social Worker registration board should take on the IFSW or nzasw code to reinforce it all. Let’s have everyone working to the same standards and then maybe we can hold them accountable to that knowing they are being watched.
It sounds like your petition states the obvious with no idea on how to get there.
All you will be doing is giving the government an open agenda and mandate to setup a complaints authority their way, playing into their hands.
I would really think hard about all this before attempting it, some of the points in the blogs above layout the issues and problems for you to think about.
The overriding theme is the complaints authority needs to be of international standards so the Government can’t hijack it. It needs real powers to investigate, advocate and step in if things are not right etc…
Think of it as an ethics committee.
If you have to get a fit and proper person check to drive taxis why not Social Workers with a higher standard.
An underage "breeding" commune on the West Coast?
ReplyDeleteThursday, 08.03.2007, 09:43pm (GMT12)
Why don’t CYF move on the community and its leader, Neville Cooper, or Hopeful Christian as he is known, jailed for indecent assault. Now Neville is out and living back at the community they have not checked up on him. It is alleged they still allow underage kids to marry, force sex upon them so the can breed like rabbits.
They have well over 500 and have a child every two weeks in the community near Nelson Creek.
Maybe CYF see nothing wrong with Sex slaves and brain washing young people and keeping them in a place more secure then a prison.
You never know CYF might use the community as foster parents to help with the in-breeding problems so they don’t have to import people from India for marriage as we have seen on the news when the guy escaped after refusing to marry.
What they call missionary work is really a breeding program.
Come on CYF what is going on behind Gloriavale’s gates as the place is called.
Oh that’s right you only pick on people who don’t have the money to defend themselves or have the numbers to take you on.
All these things mentioned here have been in the media of late yet CYF do nothing.
The of CYF needs a kick up the ass for doing nothing about this and making so many mistakes on other cases.
Hey guys, looked at your timely advice concerning governance and
ReplyDeleteviews re changes to cys etc.
It makes sense. Shortly, we will
post copy our 1st draft, ask for input & go public.
Yes, we are all for NZAW input,
as they could be a major part of this.
Nor do we want it hijacked by the govt and lose teeth. It is paramount to get it right, even if it takes a few drafts to get it right!
Dear Graeme
ReplyDeleteUnder section 13 of the Children's Commissioner Act 2003, the Children's Commissioner has the statutory duty to act as a complaints authority in respect of allegation of inappropriate action by CYFS:
13 Functions in relation to Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989
(1)The Commissioner has the following functions in relation to the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989:
(a)to investigate any decision or recommendation made, or any act done or omitted, under that Act in respect of any child or young person in that child's or young person's personal capacity:
(b)to monitor and assess—
(i)the policies and practices of the Department; and
(ii)the policies and practices of any other person, body, or organisation that relate to the performance or exercise by the person, body, or organisation of a function, duty, or power under that Act or regulations made under that Act:
(c)to encourage the development, within the Department, of policies and services that are designed to promote the welfare of children and young persons:
(d)on the Commissioner's own initiative or at the request of the Minister, to advise the Minister on any matter that relates to the administration of that Act or regulations made under that Act:
(e)to keep under review, and make recommendations on, the working of that Act.
(2)In this section, child has the same meaning as in section 2(1) f the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989.
If children who have been uplifted by CYFS are denied contact with their parent(s) or not returned when that threat no longer exists the Office of the Children's Commissioner has jurisdiction. There is no jurisdiction, however, when the decision is one that has been ordered by the Family Court. In such an instance the only remedy is through the judicial process.
I need people to email me with some facts, so I can pass onto the person who advised me of these processes. Anything you send me will be passed into an MP to be looked at.
The problem I have been told is many of the cases on my webpage and blogs along with the many others is seen as more slinging off the quantifiable facts. I have been told by another MP that the aforementioned process are robust and if people don’t get their kids back it’s often because they have not told me the full truth about what’s happening.
People that’s a challenge for anyone who has used the processes and been failed. One MP said if I can prove the system does not work then they could put a private member Bill in to have it changed. (Independent complaints authority)
So I need no more then a two page A4 summary with when you tried, what happened and the outcome. And most of all why and how you feel the system failed you. I need concrete evidence that can not be easily refuted and the MP who will check up on everything I pass onto them.
People don’t shoot the messenger or be cynical this is a good opportunity.
I have been told most MPs who view watching cyfs think because of the anonymity it’s the same people writing in and making up cases to justify there own means… That either way the cases can not be investigated for truth, given the lack of facts and pure hearsay. That there is always two sides to the story and often that does not come out.
Email me on graemea@minidata.co.nz
So what r you saying, CYFS get a case together and present it to the judge who is independent. It’s up to the judge not CYFS what happens after that…
ReplyDeleteI can see why you got know where with the children’s commission, if you formed & worded your complaint in that manner. Example “paid Court Reporters” what the hell does that have to do with making a complaint to the children’s commission? You need to stick to the issues and stay on track and deal with section 13 and not waffle on about other stuff. I think the Commission would have problems understanding what you are complaining about if what you wrote in to this blog is a example to go on. Try again this time deal only with the issues of why the child was uplifted and not returned. Leave all the other issues alone until you have got the child back” alleged abuse by CYFS” If people can’t follow what you are going on about how can they help? While you might not be happy with my comments I am on your side and trying to help. CYFS need to change but in order for that to happen we need proof of what it is they are doing wrong “real specifics” A lot of what you said is supposition.
ReplyDeleteHi Graeme, I come accross this page and thought it meight go well on your page. Graeme's must think alike, or is this you??
ReplyDeleteGraeme Says:
January 31st, 2007 at 12:09 am
How Green is MP Sue Bradford she is going on about stopping smacking to prevent child abuse but what about CYF.
CYF I suspect do far more emotional damage then that of parents smacking their children ever could.
Sue I am not disagreeing with the anti smacking bill what I am saying is that CYF is a bigger problem and more important issue overall.
Come on Sue help us make CYF more accountable that’s all we ask.
We are not asking you to take sides but give us a voice and chance to get the children we love and adore back. If you think the government cares more about our children then we do and can do a better job then us you are dreaming.
Children have been hit by foster parents, killed raped in CYF care or because of their mistakes. Any child abuse is not good enough one case is one to many let alone if it is under a government department who keep getting away with mistakes. Please Sue and other MP’s who claim to care we need your help.
Social Workers have a code of ethics and registration panels, but what’s the point of all this, if at the end of the day the issues are with the department and no one will act. There is no point shooting the messenger with all these codes and rules if they are toothless and useless.
The Government wants to hold individual Social Workers accountable which is great but all that will do is hang them out to dry while the department keeps on going. Given CYF tent to lie and push the blame onto front line staff to cover-up for higher management mistakes I fail to see how anything will change.
Come on MR Hughes CEO and Ruth Dyson do something other then blast this webpage. Deal with the incidences and you would find people would not have to wrote in.
I don’t blame people for not putting their names on this webpage as you would make life harder on them and their families. MR Hughes you are the gutless one by not dealing with the problems which allowed things to get to this extreme.
How would you feel if your family life, safety and security was turned up side down and all put under threat. Once you put yourself in our shoes you might understand why people are so angry and you should of seen this coming after so long. Don’t shoot the messenger (this webpage) but deal with the issues like a man.
One more comment MR Hughes what’s more gutless giving people a free phone number to anomalously report t child abuse to f**k people over they have a grudge against, or setting up and anomalous blog to speak the truth.
In the same way parents of malicious complaints can not defend themselves to CYF I hope you and the staff now no it feels to be totally F**ked over with out any way of defending yourselves.
Both the CEO and Government should be ashamed that things ever got to this point we now face.
http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/01/26/cyfswatch-frenzy/
The last comment is so right, but begs one question, 'What' is John Key going to do about all this and other matters, that are making victims of familys, parents and caregivers.
ReplyDeleteFor many parents, their only crime is seeking help.
Many are victims of cyfs ... Shoot first, worry about the bodies later.
Many also ask a question that is not being answered.
How come so many people, and overseas and in in govt, know about what cyfs is doing to kids and parents, a huge blot of shame that is getting worse, yet nothing is
is being done?
This govt talks big on some issues the majoriy of NZers do not give or
most likely ever, give a shit about.
Yet; either deny or avoid the carnage that cyfs is causing.
That: is what hurts.
It sends two messages:
A: Cyfs can do what they like, we will not stop them.
B: so, parents familys under siege,
who cares, plenty more where they came from! We have better things to do.
We have spent over half a decade trying to get our child back.
ReplyDeleteWe are being punished for something
that does not exist.
We did no wrong, yet while our kiddo has been in cyfs, so-called care, Been assulted sexually, physicly
and mentally by persons employed by cyfs, as well as cover up of same.
If Parents can not get help, from the like of a body set up to keep cyfs in line, parents, can get unwell due to stress, loss, (feeling of emptyness) all
sorts of problems develop.
If parents are unwell doped up on medication to try and keep sane.
Cyfs can say :" told you so , unfit parents"
When cyfs are not taking kids, they spend a huge amount of tax payers money and time that could be better spent, trying to justify taking,
tax payers kids!
Without support and help, parents
find it hard to cope, parents have
no safe body that also represents them.
If there is any chance of a child being returned/parents getting a child back, parents need help.
Cyfs used to work with parents and the children and uplift was a last resort.
The goal posts were shifted and it is uplift their kid, worry about reason why later and F#$#@K the
parents.
I defy anyone to prove me wrong!
I think the “have your say has missed the point as follows:
ReplyDelete“If children who have been uplifted by CYFS are denied contact with their parent(s) or not returned when that threat no longer exists the Office of the Children's Commissioner has jurisdiction.”
How can you prove no threat exists?
If the investigation has been proven to be inconclusive CYFS can keep the children as in my case.
In the same way CFYS can not prove my child is in danger how can I equally prove they are safe?
There is no jurisdiction, however, when the decision is one that has been ordered by the Family Court. In such an instance the only remedy is through the judicial process
Again the Children's Commissioner is hopeless as once a case has been to court they can not intervene. As for the judicial system try getting a good lawyer.
Some of the CYFS cases are so in-depth lawyers can’t really spent the time needed to review a case given their high workload. The legal aid system adds delays and paper work and more stresses. My lawyer spent more time trying to get legal aid then working on my case.
So that advice someone gave you on the blog is BS. Prove me wrong.
CYFS Social Workers are more of a gregarious bread of people. Dimwits & halfwits LOL.
ReplyDeleteCYFS say to the judge we have not finished our investigation so would rather then child remain in our care. The Judge says “so be it” and that becomes a court order.
ReplyDeleteThe Children’s commission can’t do anything as the court agrees and ordered it.
So there is no external authority to which CYFS are accountable I challenge anyone to show me otherwise. The SSC, SWRB, court or commissions can’t help…
Hi Graham, This ones good and supports what you have been saying...
ReplyDeleteMessage from a former MSD Management Insider.
Hi folks, Well an interesting debate, NZ Govt vs CYFSWatch New Zealand.
Congratulations on your site!!!
I sincerely hope that the Govt sits up and takes notice of how people really feel and I hope that they look at the majority of stories and at a minimum investigate move to change the culture. I have read the entire site and thank heavens that I have yet to have had dealings with CYFS.
I have seen the manipulation, lying, backstabbing, misreporting and cover ups first hand. I have seen first hand however is how MSD treat their own staff, in fact I became part a management structure in that organisation that contributed towards it, something I am not proud of.
There are individuals in that Department still today that are bullies and it is these individuals that drive the organisation. The effects can be life altering and devastating.
Over over several years I made some interesting observations. Having worked very closely with the GM of Operations in her former role, (in fact I even had the odd drink in her pub in the past) and also working with the CE MSD I can tell you that that both individuals will be thumping their fists and roaring (or should that be ranting) but at night when they crack a bottle of wine they don’t give a fat rats arse about what happens.
I have had a conversation with one of these individuals during which they berated their own staff and stated that they were absolutely ‘ghastly’ to name but a few comments made in a “safe environment”. The question is are they now prepared to back those comments and statements? Or were they just angry with the minister of the day pressuring them into taking the job???
In line with Google ToS and not wanting to get personal so I’ll play nice. What people in key Govt need to understand is that the Internet is a big wide world and what you say and do today will come back and bite you in the bum. If not tomorrow then when you least expect it.
Karma has a way of catching up with you lovey. Aye Lorraine. O and on a closing note, the department has a funny way of shuffling lying, manipulating, backstabbing etc individuals around so be weary of internal movements.
P.S I got sick of the BS and left, but I implore this site never to give up. Rustic101
Posted by cyfswatch at 07:44
Parents have no rights???
ReplyDeleteSome time ago, Rodney Hide (NZ ACT Party) put the following question in the house to the Labour Government, "What rights do good parents have to raise their children free from state interference?" Lianne Dalziel (NZ Labour Government) replied "Parents have no rights, only responsibilities."
[ - - - GOOD PARENTS DON'T VOTE LABOUR!!! - - - ]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pauls_news/
Love the above comments, hell people thought we were crazy saying this was happening. So take note you eggs who think cyfs is so great.
ReplyDeletethe rot in cyfs stithole of a Dept
needs a good clean out, top to bottom.
Hey Wowser Ruth, you are a stupid joke, your Dept is a Sick joke.
And we are not frigging laughing
You and your Dept a world wide disgrace.
I think its really sad what people have been saying and my heart goes out to them and the kids.
ReplyDeleteGet, NZ first, the Greens,labour, United Future, Maori party out as they have either been little talk or none, with no action on the CYFS issuses.
Foster kids moved eight times
ReplyDeleteThe Press | Thursday, 11 January 2007
About 500 children in foster care have been shunted between families more than eight times during their average two years in care. Two Cabinet-initiated reviews investigating Child, Youth and Family's (CYF) permanent placements and the growing demand for its care and protection services were released in early January. They show that of 5095 foster children in June last year, 10 per cent had experienced "serious instability of placement" while in care, being moved more than eight times. They also report that 30 per cent of the children investigated by the department were confirmed as being abused or neglected within the following two years. The Government has ordered CYF to begin immediate work on addressing these issues, and introduce a comprehensive assessment of wards' health, education and psychological conditions on entering care.
A former state ward who was shuffled between four foster homes in a month has applauded the order to limit the number of times children are moved. "It's like no-one wants you, and it's hard," Yannick Erskine, 17, said. "You get so used to moving around, you don't know where to call home." She was placed in scores of foster homes during her 16 years in CYF care, and believed it had a long-term detrimental effect. Erskine said that in just one month she was moved around four foster homes. Erskine said it was difficult being in foster care. "As a CYF kid, you feel like you get treated differently. You are an outcast. You always feel stink having to explain to people why you don't live with your mum," she said.
Source: www.stuff.co.nz/3924407a11.html
If I was the SSC & CYF I would employ you because of your quick thinking and ability to come at things from a different prospective. You could be their best friend or worst enemy I know no which one I would rather have you on. LOL
ReplyDeleteThey could use you on their interview panel for people with disabilities and bring you in to trouble shoot the hard cases, cos F*ck you are good at it from what I read…
Them dumb assed F*u*hers can’t see that. Thank Allah …
cyfs have left compassion, natural justice and any common sense out of their equasions.
ReplyDeleteOne part of a comment up above,
suggests that we should not look at
making cyfs personal some sort of liable for criminal activity or similar.
Cyfs live a lie, coverup is 2nd nature. Most would not know the truth even if it bit them on the bum!
If these arseholes get away scot-free, what sort of message does it send?
Same as now, do what you like,
MPs do not care.
Take Bradford, pushing a barrow,
that most told her to stick it.
This tunnel visioned git, would
rather turn her back on the plight of children and familys, who are
getting hammered by cyfs and the other arseholes making money out of the BABY STEALING INDUSTRY.
It is a 3 ring circus! Cyfs, shrinks, lawyer for child, putting on their 'Holier than thou' acts.
Parents cringing from the shear weight of lies, halftruths, and the ever present, could, be maybe.
(Burden of Proof?) Wrong court folks! The Judges, right up themselves!
Heck, if judges had any guts, they would do something about changing the hell hole of Family court system. A lot of the guilt of what cyfs get away with lies squarely at their door.
Persons in position of Power who knowingly let persons harm others by word, thought or deed, are guilty by association! As well as being more guilty than the wrong
doers.
Examples need to be made, to send a clear message. Your actions are those of state sanctioned criminals.
Pride comifh before the fall!
"is it a plane, is it a ship?"
ReplyDeleteNeh, Just Cyfs going down the crapper!
S59 debate and law
ReplyDeleteSue Bradford needs to be reminded some say, law is more based on who can win the argument then truth or justice. Did you know that lawyers can lie in court? Example if a lawyer knows someone committed a crime they have to do there utmost to try and get them off in the way of a good defense.
Sue Bradford needs to remember the law can be an ass. I know someone who confessed to murder on video and signed a written confession. They got off because the police made a technical error by mistake. I know of a rapist who got off because the police mixed the clothes in the bag for DNA evidence and there was a 0.1% chance of cross-contamination. None of these things are fair and certainly is not justice for the victims. But that’s the system we have and take the good with the bad it is not perfect by any means.
People might be asking what’s this got to do with S59 being removed, well everything in my view.
If people used S59 reasonable force to discipline their child and got off then that’s the system we have as unfair as it may be. If a jury let someone off for using a plastic pipe to discipline a child (which I don’t agree with) then it proves my aforementioned points about the law and our system anomalies.
Murderers, rapists can get off sometimes on a technicality, that’s the price we pay for having this type of system. Are you now going to change all the loopholes or flaws Sue?
I know someone who killed a person claiming self-defense because they said it was reasonable force under the circumstances, are you going to remove that as well Sue?
Years later the truth came out but because of the double jeopardy law the person could not be charged again. Not everyone using S59 gets off and in fact it’s hardly used when you compare it with the amount of child abuse cases. The only issues I have with removing S59 is that innocent parents will suffer which will be another injustice.
In the same way I know of guilty people getting off I know of the innocent who have been wrongly convicted. Again that’s the price we pay for the system.
You are taking away peoples right to justice if light smacking on the bottom with the hand would result in parents being convicted by the removing of S59. That’s equally as wrong as the people who get off using a pipe under the guise of discipline.
Sue you need to let the court and justice system run its course and we all live with the consequences right wrong or otherwise, unknown like David Bain, Arthur Allan Thomas…
I think Sue’s idea equates to the cure being worse then the cause because it will put so many other people in an unfair position. It also gives CYFS even more power then ever when they can’t be trusted to handle what they already have.
I am in favor of stopping any excuse for child abuse but don’t see your idea as the way forward. There are other factors that need to be addressed that could make a bigger difference and not penalize good parents in the way your current idea does.
I think physical punishments should be the absolute last resort and only used when the child is in danger of hurting themselves or others. While Sue might say her Bill allows for this I disagree. It takes away any defense and relies on the police discretion.
As far a Val Henry the CYFS “Iwi representative” goes, have you ever heard of hire a Maori, If there is money it Val will do it. That’s right Val follow the money honey. If Val wants to prostitute her self to the white mans system then so be it.
ReplyDeleteThe difference is prostitutes play it safe Val doesn’t picking on Graham.
Be careful who you get into bed with Val you might catch something off CYFS that is incurable. Go get that ass XXXXXer Graham you would stand up for what’s right, Val does what others want… Val is a turncoat… XXXX my ass
"Sue Bradford ... was asked whether it would be possible to smack children after her bill becomes law - and she said no."
ReplyDelete- Newtalk ZB, March 15, 2007
Val Henry can play both sides of the fence to her advantage, and does quite well $$$. When you think about some of Mike King’s Comedy and what he says about Maori and money it could be true in Val Henry case… Remember Val you started the insult slinging off at a Maori provider from what I read on Graeme’s webpage.
ReplyDeleteGiven there’s only one private Maori Social Services provider I know who you are meaning maybe you should come over the Hill and say it to our faces. Norm has not seen you for a while and you had better change your attitude and be ready to eat humble pie… I can’t wait to see you and we will come across each other one day soon.
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteGot some sad new for you.
Paula Attrill is a member of the member of Aotearoa-New Zealand Association of Social Workers and holds a Masters in Social Work (Hons) from Massey University, and a Bachelor of Social Work from Massey University.
It goes to show you she had the brains but not the heart of a Social Worker. I say that because she set you up by arranging the Second interview mind you I think Pam Walkinshaw her Boss more then likely planned that behind the seens.
However as you pointed out and Paual admitted she did not keep her word about the transcript being finished etc… I think Paula Attrill has been Regional Director Southern since 2002. Most people think she should be Pam’s boss as clearly she would be better at it and we view her as more honest… Well as honest as anyone can be in management at CYFS… She does whatever it takes to sort things out but better the devil you know. I think the Southern management needs to do a course on how to be human after working for CPYS for so long they seen to have forgotten why they are there, Attitude, honesty, empathy, Social Justice,… the list could go on. All the things that are in the Aotearoa-New Zealand Association of Social Workers code of ethics… LOL
I can see that Val Henry is very popular. Well if you spend so much time up cyfs arse, you are bound to smell. If money turns your brains to tutai, that does not help either.
ReplyDeleteYou hang out with ; Tauiwi, it shows.
(A strange tribe).
As a Rangatira, I asked around as to what
Iwi you represent.
It seems it only has one member.
Location; C/- Cyfs.
Hi, My name is Kay Axford.
ReplyDeleteI am Graeme's older sister.
I have just set up a post in WATCHINGCYFS .
In it is: Details of a petition for wide ranging changes to cyfs.
I ask that all victims of cyfs go and look and feel free to comment or e-mail myself.
I can not do this alone.
The 1st & 2nd draft is in the post.
There are some clever talented persons out there, any suggestions are welcome.
I hate what cyfs did to us, I hate what they do to others including my brother. This petition, belongs to us all.
Lets take the war to them.
"Thanks people."
The Petition.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to put E-Mail ADDRESS:
in my comment
rinkidink@xtra.co.nz
Look lets be honest Maori can fight Maori..
ReplyDeleteIf Graham fights Maori the Maori will join forces and fight Graham.
When they Kill Graham Maori will again fight Maori…
The point being White man Graham stays out of the Maori debate because it’s your ass on the line.
In the same way years ago Maori turned on each other so be it with Val Henry.
$hame on Val. That’s right $hame” shame: spelled with a dollar sign.
Graham, Val Henry played the race card during your interview like NZ first would, OPSH did I say that out loud.
Sorry Val, I should not link you with NZ first as your membership is overdue? Mind you if you keep making money of all these committees you might join the Act party as you are earning a little more these days from kissing white mans and government asses it seems?>
Examples
www.msd.govt.nz/work-areas/families-whanau/action-family-violence/taskforce-info.html
www.msd.govt.nz/documents/publications/newsletters/2007/facs-news-april-07.pdf
www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/mediacentre/newsletter/canewsmarch.pdf
www.westcoastdhb.org.nz/projects/wise/peopleinvolved.asp
www.cdhb.govt.nz/communications/healthfirst/issuehf4.pdf
www.moh.govt.nz/.../$File/developingamonitoringframework-summaryofsubmissions.pdf
Well either there is another Val Henry or you are on a lot of MSD, government funded committees
Follow the money and there is Val?
Well done Rata Te Awhina having Val is like money in the bank?
Author: Justice2u Tue 13 March 2007 19:16:27
ReplyDeleteLiar, Liar pants on fire Mr Ray Smith. Jonny Ward was correct in saying that CYF Manurewa is unethical. I have the proof of what he is talking about and I have no relationship with any of the social workers at that office. What is so distasteful is how they can lie to the public. Stay strong Jonny, don’t run away we are looking to do a class action.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: twowheelcowboy Tue 13 March 2007 19:52:25
I think Jonny Ward should go back to England. New Zealand has no place for a social worker with a conscience or professional ethics.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: fighting 2 Tue 13 March 2007 20:40:42
Well I too watched the Close Up programme and it is just a pity that Ray Smith has not got the BALLS to admit that they were wrong and that he also had the GALL to tell so many lies on camera. Mark Sainsbury should have pressed the subject further and made him answer the question. Ray Smith would certainly make a good politician an he side stepped the truth. So much for their statement " when we make mistakes we will own up to them,fix them where we can, and learn from them " To RAY SMITH I CAN ONLY SAY YOU WILL HAVE GOT THE BACK UP OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH YOUR STATEMENTS ON "CLOSE UP" AND THE GROUND SWELL IS ONLY STARTING.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: scritch Tue 13 March 2007 21:13:43
is johnny ward still in the country? He deserves a big hug
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: twowheelcowboy Tue 13 March 2007 21:28:33
I asked my Lord to bless him for what he has done. I dont know if hes Christian or not but he has done a good thing, and i pray that he will be blessed, both in this life and the next.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: Justice2u Wed 14 March 2007 13:24:08
Twowheelcowboy, it took a Social Worker from Britian to stand up to a system we are fighting on this website, and you tell him he should go home? To be very honest there should be more social workers like him. After all we live in a society that has the worst rate of child abuse in a western culture and that was coming from UNICEF Report on the 15th February 2007. CYF are in denial that there system fails but hey it's ok, we the people can change that as the truth always comes out.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: twowheelcowboy Wed 14 March 2007 18:05:38
My intent was sarcasm. That a social worker who is professional and has a conscience would not fit in in New Zealands CYFS system, as NZ CYFS social workers are unprofessional and have no conscience. I think if he stayed in NZ CYFS he would have to adapt to New Zealands appalling social work practices, or be condemned and abused by his workmates and supervisers. Adapt and survive. Have you ever wondered why so many social workers resign from CYFS yet will not speak out against them? I think Johnny spoke out because he was going to England and they couldnt get him there.
Re: Ray Smith Liar
Author: Justice2u Wed 14 March 2007 21:03:15
As someone who has meet Jonny personally, I think his heart is in the right place. He is more qualified than those that feel he's not up for the job i.e. Peter and Ray for instance should go out and get some people skills as us lower class/proverty stricken are getting bullshit from your pathetic unrealistic system.
http://www.panic.org.nz/forum/ForumTopicDetails.php?TopicID=673
What’s the difference between suspected terrorist held without trial at GUANTANAMO and the family court system in New Zealand.
ReplyDeleteAt least the US does not pretend it is playing by the rules putting on a kangaroo court system for show. What they do have in common is you are guilty till proven innocent and they keep people in their care for as long as it suits them.
As for the advice which I call BS given to you under “have your say” Under section 13 of the Children's Commissioner Act 2003… that person does not understand nor care about kids to spout of all that crap.
That is a kangaroo court system were CYFS rule and rain playing games on pure hearsay and innuendo. In the same way people can not prove the existence of God in court it does not make it any less real for those who want to believe. People can gather evidence for and against the argument on the existence of a God or higher power and both can be right given there is no really definitive answer that quantifies real proof. CYFS make up a case and bring it to the judge and if the judge believes it sorry parents you lose.
If God was asked by his believers to turn up in court to prove his own existence and being do you think he would? I mean if he is God then he should be able to do that…
Some people would see merit with this idea while others would say its ridiculous..
The point being you have more chance of that happening then defending yourself against CYFS charges that only exist in their minds… Judges have faith in CYFS and it takes faith to believe in God. In the same way I can not really tell someone their faith is misguided as they believe and see something I don’t. Neither can I tell a judge CYFS are wrong because like people of faith the judges believe what they want to believe….
Judges faith in CYFS is misguided and maybe they should question and test what they are told rather then take it at face value.
How come no one is narking on Judy Larking. She is less of a winner then Christine McKenna. The higher up the chain I go the quality of management gets thinner. That’s why Pam Walkinshaw is acting because her skills are not attracting her to be the real deal.
ReplyDeleteAs for Ray smith give him the biff that would really get Christine Stevenson in a tiff.
Peter Hughes, you lose always being in the News trying to get CYFS out of the shit, boy you must stink of it.
In the same way shit splatters within CYFS it will not matter, it will stick to them like batter, while on their wages the get fatter and fatter…
One problem with groups with cyfs funding, some forget, clients, not pressure from their funders come first.
ReplyDeleteSmall important concept, big implications when clients are dropped to keep cyfs happy.
Sadly this does happen. People go to groups or organizations for help,
and get shafted. These are not isolated cases, but a growing number. Because of Privacy Issues I can not write about them, except at least 5 confirmed ones happened
on The West Coast and traced right back to cyfs office there.
Others there, the same thing or similar happened. An ex-worker from one of these groups told us
what was going on. Worker had guts full of lies. And that is only the West Coast.
As for info on other areas where this is going on, it is just as rife, but the reader should get the picture.
The likes of Val Henry are PLASTIC MAORIS.
More handy with a bankcard, than helping other Maori!
Michael King (the funny one) said a few yrs ago; "there are about 10,000 Maori in NZ, Mention Money,
and suddenly there are about 100,000 of them."
Some one told me the Manager of Greymouth Cyfs Office spends a lot of time taking holidays.
ReplyDeleteThis $60,000 odd, overpaid Bimbo was never there any way.
Next holiday, try a taking a long walk off a short wharf. Do us all a world of good.
I put the last post in because it shows how easy CYPS can claim someone has a mental health issues based on a psychological assessment.
ReplyDeleteOn close up TV1 March 13th 2007 there was another case about Billy and Michelle Carter. CYFS claimed Michelle was mentally unstable and had a report to prove it. However another report cleared Michelle?.
You can read this sad story on Graeme’s webpage http://graemea.snap.net.nz/index.html#rscloseup how many more example of the BS do people need to hear before they realize all is not well at CYFS.
This also supports how parents can be set up by CYFS and not be able to fight back. Good old psychologist John Watson.
So the person who claimed the Children’s Commission can help is wrong. Once the judge sees the fake report he orders the kids stay in CYPS care. That means the Children’s Commission can not intervene. Often one psychologist will not go against what another is saying so getting an honest one is hard. Yet again justice can be denied.
Posted by battler | November 20, 2006 4:24 PM
ReplyDeletePosted on November 20, 2006 16:24
dad4justice:
Thank you David,
NZ has 14,000 lawyers for 4.5 million people, while Japan has 3000 lawyers for 150 million people . Most kiwi judges are ex lawyers, so the gravy train of misery looks set to continue for many more years to come, with the rapid rise in 'family experts' - which will make Nuremberg a sunday school picnic as the Government is happy to engage in the mass production of fractured families .It's working well as my prison mate told me yesterday that the local lock up is so full inmates are celled up in laundry cupboards. To settle the unruly they put them in van and drive them around at night !They used put them in forensic max security however that is overflowing with P addicts ! Keep building prison's Helengrad -now thats a good girl -what a sick country .
So yes it is a racket
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/11/protesting_fathers_1.html
Holy Hell, do CYFS have any idea who they have taken on. Are you part of the Ian Axford (New Zealand) Fellowships in Public Policy family?
ReplyDeleteI can see you understand policy and you are a Axford so that’s why I ask.
Hell get Ian Axford to make a few calls for you...
Maybe CYFS should do psychological reports on their own staff. Problem is if John Watson does them they will all pass. John Watson himself needs one; problem is he knows how to cheat the tests. He also knows how to screw people over with them.
ReplyDeleteIn our case John Watson was Court appointed psychologist not that that makes any difference to us he still does what CYFS want. Don’t bother complain to the New Zealand Psychologists Board about him. They 100% support John at screwing over families. Go and have a look at their Code of Ethics http://www.psychology.org.nz/about/code_1986.html it’s as useful as the SSC code which no one is held accountable too but there for show only.
So we have all these moral codes and governing bodies to protect the evil doers.
These codes are meant to set standards and protect the clients. What a joke LOL. So do you think a CYFS complaints board will be any different.
Hay lets put Val Henry, John Watson people from the SSC, Children’s & Humans Rights Commission, family court all on it because that’s what’s going to happen.
They can all rubber stamp what CYFS are doing. Way to go great idea.
WELL FOLKS,
ReplyDeleteCYFS UP TO SNEAKY SHIT AGAIN>
THIS ONE HAS EXTREME IMPLICATIONS FOR PARENTS WITH UPLIFTED KIDS>
PERMANENTCY.
Cyfs new cost saving scheme, another horror for parents.
When a child is uplifted and placed in care. After 6 mths cufs can apply for Permanentcy.
This means; caregiver or whoever child is with becomes permanent parent/s
Real parents now have no say in childs life. Visits forget them! If a child is sick or in hospital. parents have no legal right to know.
Permanentcy is another word for adoption. Cyfs claim it is all about cost saving.
Myself, I call it criminal.
Supergrass told me this info tonight. I heard about Permanentcy last week, but had no idea what it really ment. Lets say: cyfs are now trying to force parents to sign this order or they take them to court to do so.
Lawyer for child, usually up cyfs butt, judge usually sides with cyfs, parents, trying to get legal aid; or in some Hicksvilles, even a lawyer. (one who does F. Court on legal Aid). I was told, NZ has more lawyers than Japan!.
This is a new all time low even for
Cyfs, scumbags that they are!
Graeme, you know all those cyfs bosses some of us write to that never answer or lose letters. Hey they have deported another one to the South Island.
ReplyDeleteIt appears this is a another clueless wonder at the top of the food chain of snapper heads.
Wonders of wonders, this big boss is going to sort out cyfs problems in the south!
"Wait for it, steady, steady:
NOW LAUGH!!!!!!"
Hi
ReplyDeleteI have had a few emails about Sue Bradford that are way of topic and very offensive. I want to point out Sue Bradford is a friend of mine and I will not tolerate that type of insulting tenor aimed at about her or anyone else from now on. I will not go into what was said but the person who wrote it will know. I have been rather lax and not tried to censor to much as I believe in freedom of speech.. While people are entitled to their opinions I would rather you put your view else where if you resort to personal attacks.
I support the concept of what Sue is trying to achieve with the removal of S59 from the crimes act. That is not to give anyone any excuse or defense for violence against Kids. I am all for that… If a parent can’t smack a child lightly once without a object and on the hand only, to shock a child to get their attention I have a problem with that.
Example a lady smacked her child once on the hand at the supermarket because the child was playing with lighters on the counter. This had happened about 15 times before
Someone had seen the mother smack the child for what she considered without reason and reported the lady to the police for child abuse.
Given the mother was seen and never denied smacking the child under Sue’s current idea the mother could face charges or the child removed by CYFS. The mother could not substantiate her claims about why she smacked the child and the checkout operator could not remember seeing the child playing with the lighters. She did however see the smack and child crying…
Remember we have two independent witnesses to the smack that on its own is enough proof without the mother owning up.
Luckily one police officer got the video footage from the supermarket and all was revealed.
The problem is while the police didn’t act they had to report the cases to CYFS.
This story did happen and a good example of the types of problems people could face.
I would also ask people lay off Val Henry I have not put up a lot of the latest comments about her either, While I am not happy with Val after her interview comments I don’t see any point in rubbishing her.. All that needs to be said has so unless people can come up with something new and intelligent, none offensive that’s it topic closed… Let’s move on to something else worthwhile and relevant…
John Watson. Bully, liar and pet of and protected by judges.
ReplyDeleteHe is a good reason to get rid of Family Court and turn it into a REAL court where real proof is used or needed.
Readers will know what I am saying!
Watson must be one of the most hated shrinks in NZ. One sick puppy.
In a real court he would not last 5 minutes. He used to work for cyfs. it shows.
HE IS CERTIFIABLE AND INSANE.
FREE RANGE LOONY. 100% stuffed unit.
This dangerous prat has systematicly wrecked many lives and the list is getting bigger.
What the wonder of it is, no one has started a blog about his victims. Perhaps they are still having nightmares about him. How many on Heavy medication to cope with life after meeting Watson. How many in wooden overcoats?
You have a lot to answer for!
It’s taken me days to be able to log in, either this blog has been busy or something has gone wrong...
ReplyDeleteJust thought you should no Graeme.
More than 800 CYF calls go unanswered
ReplyDeleteTuesday, 11 July 2006, 5:57 pm
Press Release: New Zealand National Party
Anne Tolley MP National's Associate Welfare (CYFS) Spokeswoman
11 July 2006
More than 800 CYF calls go unanswered
The National Party's Associate Welfare spokeswoman says the Auckland man put on hold at CYFS for ten minutes after ringing twice with an 'urgent' tip-off does not appear to be an isolated case.
"The perseverance of this Auckland electrician needs to be applauded. Unfortunately other New Zealanders who witness suspected child abuse are not as patient," says Anne Tolley.
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She is commenting on reports today where the electrician attempted to report a mother who was 'yelling, ranting and roughly shoving her two pre-school children'
"Agreed, this may not be the most serious case on CYF books, but we all know violent behaviour can escalate over time. This has all the hallmarks of the 'lost' Ron Burrows phone call to CYF, when he warned of the risk of abuse to his daughter, Coral-Ellen."
Mrs Tolley has released figures showing thousands of calls are still not getting answered at CYF National Call Centre, despite an improvement over the past six months.
"The number of abandoned calls has reduced considerably. They needed to. The statistics were appalling, with almost 41,000 calls abandoned last year.
"But, despite an improvement, we still have more than 800 calls a month going unanswered. "Labour is busy telling the community to take responsibility and report suspected abuse. But surely it's the Government's responsibility to make sure there's someone who will pick up the phone," says Mrs Tolley.
ENDS
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0607/S00149.htm
I tried to arrange a visit with my child on the West Coast. Christine McKenna is clueless and hopeless. The quicker they promote her higher up the chain and out of the West Coast area the better. Problem is what will replace it something worse…
ReplyDeleteSomeone worse than Mckenna, is that possible? Even the few times she is in Greymouth cyfs office the lights are on nobody home, a few planks short of a shipwreck, she is only 10c in the $1.00. Thick as two planks.
ReplyDeletePart of the problem, not the solution. They know cyfs abuse goes on and ignore it. She tells people that she will look at their serious concerns, does nothing!
Does this send a good message, an example to those she is boss of?
She is part of the sick culture of cyfs.
When you complain to their bosses,
their favourite saying is: we did a complete investigation.
What is interesting, when one supplies them with witnesses, (how to contact them) As well as you tell them that you have more to tell them and can verify said incidents with documents etc, that they can look at or you will give copies. You get a negative letter
saying ; full and complete investigation done, no (whatever)
found! Did cyfs contact, witnesses
or yourself. Nah straight into the too-hard bos or bin.
Then they can not understand why people do not like them or trust them, even the kids they steal and kidnap. Those kids & parents have relations, they hate and dislike you too.
How many kids get hurt or worse in cyfs care. Far too many.
No wonder they are pushing PERMANENTCY; Legal washing of cyfs hands, by dumping kids on anyone who will take them (Adoption),
Will these kids be looked after any better?. They will be with strangers, parents access to them,
most likely nil. Who will look after these children's rights.
NO ONE. If they are abused, these kids are alone and helpless.
Kids will not go to cyfs, cyfs did not want them any more, but will cover up, as in past any abuse done
in programmes they have sanctioned.
Cover up is part of cyfs sick
Dept, from bottom to top, they are all at it.
This Dept had developed from a child protection agency that worked with kids and parents with humanity and respect in most cases to: a multi million dollar child stealing industry that takes kids, shafts parents at any opportunity
and thinks what they do is a God given right to do what they like!
Many of these employees are nothing but state sanctioned thugs. That get a kick out of hurting people.
How many of you have heard: "We have your kid, there is nothing you can do about it." Funny, when asked to repeat this or admit they said it'
their memory miss-fires.
Or their other Favourite:
We were ordered to, we have an order to uplift, order to take...
This is what certain scum said 60 yrs ago; AS THEY WERE SENTENCED TO HANG
FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CYFS & CRIMS?
ReplyDeleteCRIMS ARE MORE HONEST!
Hi Graeme,
ReplyDeleteYour webpage is a bit out of date when you are going to update it again so we know what’s happening.
David
Hi Graeme, I finally figured out the difference between the two Dysons.
ReplyDeleteOne sucks up dirt, other huffs & puffs and sweeps cyfs dirt under the carpet.
One is over priced, the other, overpaid.
one has 12 month warrenty, other is past: used by date.
One does the job the other says it does.
one comes with a hose, the other, most wish, would just go!
one is recyclable, the other a has been.
one runs on AC, the other has lights on, seems no one home.
People asked for a new broom to clean up cyfs. We got some sort of
doppy sucker.
Hi David
ReplyDeleteYes you’re right I have not updated the webpage for a while. I have been busy. First I suggested we change our name from the West Coast Unemployed and Workers Rights Center to “Peoples Support Center “. The group agreed and now we are moving rooms and trying to sort out more funding.
I had hoped to be of to Wellington but had a few cases and things spring on me in the mean time. I am also in between Greymouth and Christchurch offering advice and support over there for an agency, so all my stuff is on the back burner for now.
That’s all right though because I can take it all up any time, I don’t walk out at people’s time of need… Watch this space we will do a major update soon I have a few things up my sleeve LOL. I have not even started yet what you have seen so far is not even the warm up… I will bring it very soon using my creative style and support offered to me….
Cheers
Graeme
While out at May Day celebrations I asked our Labour MP Damien O'Connor what is labour doing to sort out CYFS. His reply was so bizarre I can not recall it.
ReplyDeleteYou go tell Ruth Dyson I was giving you heaps Damien because I have not started yet. If you can’t support West Coaster in their time of need we will not support you at election time. I will give you the same support you have shown me and my family., Need I clarify what that is for you…. That’s a point I should set up a Damien O'Connor blog for the west Coasters to write in. I will do that now.
Would you believe CYFS complained to the BSA (Broadcasting Standards Authority New Zealand ) about a program broadcast on Sunday, TV One at 7.30pm on 9 April 2006
ReplyDeleteSaying it was “inaccurate, lacked balance, was exploitative of the children involved and was unfair” to CYFS”
O yes that’s right “exploitative of the children” CYFS would know about that they are good at it. As far as being “inaccurate, lacked balance” CYFS decisions show they are experienced at this also. Hang on this is transference CYFS are really seeing themselves..
CYFS lost which goes to show they would not know balance and truth if they fell over it.
It goes to show just how out of touch and dangerously out of balance they are.
Vast majority of complaints lodged against TVNZ by CYFS are rejected.
http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/2006/2006-058.htm
O how bloddy sad…
It appears there is a CURRENT REVIEW OF CYFS ACT UNDERWAY.
ReplyDeleteThat will recommend changes if Necessary.
The first was news to us, the second, ho hum, heard it all before.
As you might know by now I, (Kay Axford) and others, are:
putting a Petition together, looking at final draft. (Other 2 earlier ones on this site already for visitors to look
and comment on or contact Kay
rinkidink@xtra.co.nz )
I am still going ahead with petition.
I have asked by e.mail the persons who sent said info, some questions to answer.
as I feel we will all be interested.
1; Who are the stakeholders contacted?
2; Does this review include parents?
3; Will cyfs be looking at adopting the international, accepted Code of Ethics
for their workers?
Are any of you aware that a REVIEW of Cyfs is going on! Or know anything about it, e-main Kay Axford..
Regards: Kay Axford.
Hi Graeme
ReplyDeleteWould you believe CYF apologises, yes that’s right or is it a printing error?
You never know they might send you one also as they finally started giving them out now, you both might be able to kiss and made up LOL…
Here is the story:
CYF apologises after stalking incident
Child, Youth and Family has apologised to a Napier mother after a convicted sex offender was moved, unannounced, onto a neighbouring property, and began stalking her five-year-old daughter.
The 18-year-old, convicted of sex crimes against children in 2005, was moved to Napier by CYF about four months ago, and jumped the fence into the woman's property at least 14 times.
She first saw the man retrieving a tennis ball, but contacted police after she increasingly saw him on her property, and found him once with his face pressed against her window.
CYF deputy chief executive Ray Smith said today the man's paid supervisors would be held accountable for what happened, although it was a "human system" and people made mistakes.
"There are discussions to be held there. (It's) hugely distressing ... and I feel very much for the family next door and I'm sorry that they've had this encounter," he told Radio New Zealand.
The 36-year-old mother said she's been told nothing by CYF about the man's arrival, and after she become worried about his behaviour, a friend of her helped her find out who he was.
"We found out ... he was supposed to be under 24-7 surveillance by three caregivers, and alarmed at night-time."
She only met the caregivers when they turned up at her house after the final incident where the man jumped over the fence.
"They had been out to get ... Chinese food or something. They didn't have a clue that he'd been jumping my fence, and that many times."
They apologised and said they knew nothing about what had been happening.
At that point the woman rang police, who like her hadn't been told of the sex offender's presence.
"As soon as they found out what was going on they were here, they were issuing trespass orders and letting us in on more information."
Realising how serious the situation was, the woman said she was too frightened to stay at the house and moved out immediately.
The teenage sex offender is due to appear in Napier District Court tomorrow, charged with breaching his supervision order.
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/070507/3/fg
The Government has asked the Ministry of Social Development to consider whether changes or additions are needed to update and strengthen the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989 (the Act).
ReplyDeleteWe are looking at what changes, if any, can be made to:
better achieve the objectives and fulfil the principles of the Act
strengthen the family decision making model at the heart of the Act
assist best practice in promoting the wellbeing of children, young persons, and their families.
As part of the update we are seeking feedback from people and organisations who work with the Act and the children, young people and families who are affected by it.
In general, we are interested in views on:
how the Act could better support best practice
whether any current provisions are not working well or need to be fixed
what might be missing from the Act
what, if any, changes or additions you would like to see made to the Act to support the achievement of its objectives and fulfilment of its principles.
The feedback will be incorporated into a report to Ministers later this year.
Discussion document
We have produced a discussion document in which we identify some of the major themes and ideas that have emerged from our work so far.
We have looked at how overseas care and protection and youth justice legislation has developed since 1989, including how elements similar to our own Act have been incorporated and, in some cases, strengthened or expanded.
We have also sought initial ideas from a sample of key stakeholders, practitioners, and people who were involved in developing the 1989 Act.
The discussion document is divided into four sections, to reflect the feedback received to date:
Theme One – Technical Amendment and Drafting
Theme Two – Care and Protection
Theme Three – Disabled Children
Theme Four – Child Offenders and Youth Justice
The discussion document does not represent government policy or reflect a firm position or preference for change. We have not filtered the ideas and suggestions for cost or operational implications. The discussion document is intended as a starting point to stimulate discussion and feedback.
Providing feedback
You can provide feedback via:
The Online Submission Form
or:
Email:
cypfactupdate@msd.govt.nz
Fax: 04 917 5583
Mail:
CYPF Act Update Team
Social Services Policy
Ministry of Social Development
PO Box 1556
Wellington 6140
You can download the file off the webpage link below
The closing date for feedback is 1 June 2007.
http://www.msd.govt.nz/work-areas/children-and-young-people/cypf-act-update/index.html
I have skimmed your webpage about your interview process with cyfs. I read some sections and skipped a few. It says in it that you have a relative currently under cyfs care and that you have distanced yourself from that childs parents and do not align with the views of that childs parents? This is how you felt at the time of your interviews with Cyfs to gain employment, is it still how you feel about that particular situation? Because I have heard rumours that you are actively trying to help them get that child back? Or is this just a rumour going around at the moment and you still are strong to your past beliefs?
ReplyDeleteAbove comment was for Graeme (I forgot to put that). I would appreciate an anwser if possible).
ReplyDeleteThanks.
I don’t always then nor do I now agree with everything that members of my family say and do and I am sure they would shear the same view about me. It’s much like saying if you align yourself with a political party you must agree with everything they do and say no matter what it is… Even members within their own parties disagree and at odds with the party line at times…
ReplyDeleteThat’s as much as I am willing to say on the matter given this is a public forum and I would not want anything I say to affect my niece who is still in CYFS care… I would not say or do anything that could compromise her wellbeing either as a relation or Social Worker weather or not I got employed by CYFS. So I guess you can say that is still my answer then and now and my only comment about it…Had CYFS employed me this would still be my answer if people asked…
Thank you Graeme,
ReplyDeleteI didn't expect you to go into details, as it is none of my business about your relative's situation, I just wanted to know as a matter of principal, what your feelings with regards to that situation indiciated on your webwage. Your answer did clarify my question and it is good that you have your own opinions and do think of your relative and their wellbeing. I don't know your family or yourself personally, I only know by name and had heard a rumour and it didn't seem like it matched your comments on your web page. Doesn't bother me either way, just curious as to which supposed comment was right (i.e. squash the rumour). If you can seperate family issues and keep a impartial view on other families in need (Child(ren) first and then the families needs), then it seems Cyfs may have overlooked a good thing. You may have done some good for other families in care, if you had been successful in gaining employment there. Good luck with present and future employment if social work is what you wish to pursue.
Interesting long write up about cyfs review put as updating their Act.
ReplyDeleteAccording to what I read in their site, only the original gonks who put so many anti social traps in this
legislation get a say at this stage.
The un washed get there say after
the Minister has a look.
You Dickheads created a black hole that swallows everything. Near 20 yrs of hell for many families. Hang your heads in shame. You have massive abuse of families, children & parents on your hands.
Parents have asked for changes for yrs to think about such now is an utter insult, you have blood on your hands, sane people driven crazy. huge stats of needless uplifts. Worse..
ANY CHILD UPLIFTED, EVEN IF, GIVEN BACK, PARENTS INNOCENT OF ANYTHING....CYFS KEEP ON OPEN FILE. NEVER SHUT. THEIR THINKIN: WHEN KIDS GROW UP THEY WILL BE UNFIT PARENTS ...
TOO BLOODY LATE NOW TO THINK ABOUT SORTING THE WRONGS
Even the info you are putting out,
basicly hints nothing will be done
Where are the statements of changes needed. ASK THE PARENTS & FAMILIES WHAT CHANGES ARE NEEDED AND DO THEM
QUIT THE BULLSHIT.
DO SOMETHING HONEST! Whoops, Forgot, not in the Training Manual.
Perhaps start with burning that!
Some social workers have commented on fact that very few Maori have spoken out about the way they are getting targeted by cyfs. Heck they scream out enough about the Crown pinching the land, all quiet on the pinching kids front????When govt sponsored kidnappers take them.
Or; have they all died of laughter, when they heard cyfs was pulling a paper review, that is as much use as a paper bag full of farts.
Oui Graeme, about time I got a look at your blog. I like it, very professional. interesting comments.
ReplyDeleteTwo I found very disturbing, towards the end.
You have a relation in cyfs care, so what. It seems this writer was deliberately targeting you in an unhealthy manner.
Police, Correction officers, Probation officers and the like, many have family members locked up or heading there.
About 10 % or more of the Maori population is in some institution
or other. They have proven protocols that cover this sort of thing I was told.
Personlly, I feel someone from cyfs
is on a fishing expedition..
Fancy thinking just because they may be unprofessional, everyone else is also. I heard they can stoop pretty low. What will they do next? stazi tatics of the former East German Secret police. They had neighbour informing on neighbour on themselves and chopped down whole forests for the paperwork.
Anyway I wander, I feel that cyfs would be better off showing you that they are looking after your relation. Did you say it was your niece. Family is family, professional is professional.
Whats to say!.
Maybe, that is the problem, you are too professional for them to handle.
Graeme, is it true, cyfs are now looking at doing Social Worker courses or training, run by themselves? I doubt the standards would allow them a job here or anywhere other than cyfs.
The social workers here require extensive first aid training, as some work in schools, as well as
passes in Approved Mental Health Courses as a requirement.
Must go, weather is fine here, I hope to get back to New Zealand
before the Newyear, I will let you know when. Cheers, and have a cold one for me.
To anonymous dated 12 May.
ReplyDeleteI was not targeting graeme as you put it. It was just query to squash a rumour that was going around. I don't care about the specifics of his relation in care, nor do I care in general about his views, mainly wanted to find out which statement was true, the one on his website or a comment that some people have been making. I finda it rather hypocrictical that everyone on this blog can have their say about Cyfs and whatever else, but all I was asking for some clarity about a simple situation. If you think that my question was disturbing maybe you should go back under that rock you crawl out from and not bother speaking again, because I wasn't rude to graeme, nor did I attack him. I think that if he feels hard-done by, by Cyfs than he has every right to feel aggreaved. Good on him. But don't say that my comments were disturbing, because some of the stuff on this blog and cyfs watch could be classed as disturbing. Grow up Mr Comment 12 May.
Yo Graeme, just looked into your blog, seems someone local is having a nose in it and asking about your
ReplyDeleterelation who is in care? Who would go to these lengths over such a point; that is the point. I smell a cyfs stooge. the whole theme of the verbial, sounds like a bad case of acerbic .
Most certainly an inferiority complex. would be an interesting case. The person sounds female, in a position of power, not too motivated, anti men (male phobia).
Anyone over your way that works for cyfs match this profile.
Talk about strange people, a new client I have taken on is fixated on the loss of his foreskin. I tell you it is true. He is of the opinion that while he was a freshman at Penn State, aliens got him and took off his foreskin.
The fact he is Jewish, seemed to
have eluded him.
Fancy saying the other visitor to your Page, is it? should crawl under a rock, bit strong what.
Without persons like this, I would be without a paycheck.
Dyslexia, more common than most think it is. most learn to cope with it. If any firm here tried use that shite to stop your working for them, in six months to a year, they would be working for you. The
fact that these people use such methods and seem to get away with it, is truly bizarre.
Up until recently I was living in Auckland. Ever go there much!
I hope to be back in a couple of years. The Clinic I was working for refused to report any parents to child welfare. I wish you well.
Come on people chill out,
ReplyDeleteYour blog is really slow at loading, good work anyway go get them
ReplyDeleteDate Posted: 17:25:04 03/27/07 Tue
ReplyDeleteCongratulations on your delightful website. I took time out to follow it through. An interesting saga, Graeme, that is for sure.
Simplistically, CYF's explanations of their application processes (which must be in line, to include all bureaucratic thinking) typifies the very "discrimatory" world they live in. In their eyes, statutory regulations are paramount. Therefore child care has to take second place.
This begs the question, what on earth could you gain by joining them? Clearly you scared the pants off of them. It was and always will be an impossible task for them to give you a straight answer. Had you received their tacit approval, you would then be requred to be tarred with their brush.
Obviously you have bigger fish to fry which should not include "dyslexia" per say being recognised as a disability.
Three score years and ten later, I still haven't been diagnosed for it. Neither will I. You are not required to be a rocket scientist to know that you have it.
Graeme's apparent "disability" demonstrates (to me) his definite "ability" to think outside the square. Stick with it "kiwi"! That is indeed, the gift, which if it ever became an "us" versus "them" scenario (heaven forbid)dyslexia does have a head start.
If you're contemplating a trip over the "hill" Graeme, be sure to e-mail me. Would like to offer you a beer and a bite!
While I concur with Christies comments, perhaps there are other ways to approach their perceived dilemma!
Cheers,
Ken Roberts.
http://www.voy.com/55883/2641.html
A comment made to me by a Family Court Judge early this year ; "CYFS are so dysfunctional they are dangerous ."
ReplyDeleteWell done to Minister Ruth Dyson !!
http://www.blogger.com/profile/03399954680761271127
This is for all the Children abuse in CYF care
ReplyDeleteWhat support does Child, Youth and Family provide for parents when action against a child by a parent or caregiver is brought to Child, Youth and Family's attention but is considered to be so inconsequential as to require no statutory intervention?
Hon RUTH DYSON
Child, Youth and Family works closely with community services to ensure that the appropriate support referrals are made in a timely way when necessary. There is also a proactive approach of working with communities, families, and individuals to promote positive parenting through a range of inter-agency programmes.
http://theyworkforyou.co.nz/debates/search?search_term=Child%2C+Youth+and+Family&page=3
When CYF do you wrong it’s always inconsequential, but when parents do wrong as they see it that’s another story. Foster parents can abuse children in CYF care and hey will cover it up. It only a matter of time before the abuse children under CYF care takes Action.
Ruth Dyson you have been warned and done nothing. I complained 6 times…. If my patents did what was done to me you would call it abuse but in CYF care it just happens.
Sue Bradford CYF abuse and hurt just as many of us in their care as happens outside of it and that’s not right.
I think CYF should hire you after the fight you have taken to them. Anyone who can think like you they need on thier side to stop the mistakes they keep on making.
ReplyDeleteWay to go man keep it up
I think you're a liar
ReplyDeleteI received an interesting email to as follows
ReplyDeleteFrom: Don Boese [drboese@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2007 9:15 p.m.
To: graemea@minidata.co.nz
Subject: what are you on?
Hi Graeme.
i read all the website...get over it.
DB
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Don Boese asks “what are you on?”
I don’t think is acceptable people can treat others with disabilities in a belittling way and make fun of them during interviews. Mocking both their qualifications and providers and while playing on someone’s disabilities to do it.
Remember Don I was there, seen and heard first hand what happened.
It’s interesting you tell me to get over it and ask “what are you on” like I somehow created the problem.
Your comments are both personal and unnecessary in my view and offer nothing worth while to any debate.
Since putting your comments up on my blog I have re-edited, because others who have had dealings with CYF have responded to you in a very unkind manner and explained why they think you want to defend CYF by trying to attack me. While I welcome peoples views even when they disagree with me I fail to see what your comments tried to achieve.
Government departments should act with integrity, openness and be accountable and willing to justify and stand they take. If you read all the other blogs and WebPages about CYF you might agree that does not seem to happen.
The fact is none of this needed to happen if CYF treated me in a manner befitting of a Social Worker. Thank you for your views anyway DB.
Are you Donald William Boese from Blenheim? Feel free to write back.
If ever there was an example of a ding-dong or should I say ding don LOL, goes to show some people have bad judgment and no real idea what the real world is about. I Like the changes to the webpage Graham.
ReplyDeleteHi nzMalcolmite
ReplyDeleteThank you for your input I think it is great, I like robust debate and for people to ask questions. The danger with this type of blog is things can get out of control and I have had to delete a few comments. I like many of the points you make and will ponder them some more.
In order to have a good debate we need people to offer their views for or against and idea or opinion and asking questions for clarity so I thank you for that long may it continue…
Cheers Graeme Axford
Bloody hell, I assume you are still going at it, given your webpage has been updated and looks great, by the way. You have been rather quite so what’s your plans next nearly a year on. Given the work on your old webpage it’s seems you have something planned? Otherwise you would have left it as it was one would think. So come on spill the beans…
ReplyDeleteLike you new blog man badly written but well said what you lack in academic skills you make up for in passion. By the way you spelling has improved not that I should talked…
Sup, You are correct I have things planned for next year being that is when the election will happen. I held off my trip to the beehive for that reason and this is far from over I have not even started yet. I have got expert’s world renowned on dyslexia and disabilities who can independently say CYF got me wrong based on their own feedback. That’s as much as I will say until next year when I head off the beehive. I haven nothing to loose or gain really as CYF were never going to employ me anyway apart from trying to get things changed on a political front. Where this so called “independent complaint’s Authority” Ruth, and by the way I will be coming to visit you in your electronic to remind people about your job performance.
ReplyDeletehi Graeme,
ReplyDeleteThank you. I assure you my intent is honest open discussion, without "emotional knee jerks".
With that said, in the matter of the past rumor. I do not see the claimed desire of "annonymous" to set the facts straight
Consider the words of annonymous when challenged
annonynous said:
"It was just query to squash a rumour that was going around."
If I accept this as truthful, then I am left more than a little disturbed with the rest of this attempt at rebuttal.
annonymous goes on to state:
"mainly wanted to find out which statement was true, the one on his website or a comment that some people have been making."
If I accept this then I have just been lied too, or was previously lied too. One of these statements is a lie.
Consider:
If one is seeking to squash a rumor then one is aware that this is mere gossip. Therefore one does not need clarification and one most assuredly would not then reiterate that lie publicly. This "Annonymous" has said the intent is to "squash the rumor",
If the intent is to "squash" (stop) the rumor that "was" (past tense) circulating, Why is that rumor reiterated?
How does one stop something that ("was") is no longer happening?
How does one give new momentum to something that "was"?
Then annonymous states:
"all I was asking for some clarity about a simple situation."
There is something very disturbing about this claim. Thus I have difficulty in believing it!
The writer has previously stated that he/she knows this to be a half-truth at best. Which it was his or her intent "to squash". Therefore neither reiteration or clarification is required.
annonymous continues:
"If you think that my question was disturbing maybe you should go back under that rock you crawl out from and not bother speaking
again,"
Meaning that anyone calling his/her intent into question is rock slime, lower than he/she and thus probably ignorant. And here is the reason why any person challenging this claim is rock slime;
"because I wasn't rude to graeme, nor did I attack him."
You were not rude nor did you attack him. However your intent was not honesty. This is clearly demonstrated within your words and attempt at self-justification. For those seeking honest answers with honest intent do not need to lie. Those seeking to stop a rumor do not reiterate that rumor publicly. If a rumor "was" then it is in the past, of little or no consequence in the present
Thus I Conclude:
That this "annonymous" used the opportunity in a vain attempt to "empower" the dying "gossip", through further public reiteration. This I say is proven by the manner of response when challenged over the motive for asking the question publicly.
What was the response to this challenge? Lies and personal attacks.
Others may see this differently, I accept that. However that is "my" take on the matter after careful consideration of the attempt at rebuttal as posted by "annonymous".
In regard to the statement from Mr Boese
The subject and content are clearly "rampant emotionalism" lacking any objectivity. Designed only to illicit an emotional reaction while adding nothing at all to the matter under discussion.
I hope that Mr Boese will see that my question is above emotionalism and asks only for clarification of "What it is" that he says you need to "get over."
Whether or not he will respond to that question ... time will tell.
So then, for the time being I shall slip back under my rock, and see what other loathsome slime beings have taken residence in the vicinity during my absence.
Cheers
CYF have not nor will they ever change for the better, they just go from bad to worse...
ReplyDeleteNice webpage and blog, CYF are fools for not working with you rather then against youas they are doing.
With or without your help the Greymouth office of CYF could not get any worse, or could it??
ReplyDeleteIt’s hard to believe they are social Workers who interviewed you given their attitudes and if that’s how the treat a known advocate god only knows how the treat their vulnerable clients. The like power over don’t they…
The Social Worker registrations board should take a look at your claims and it’s all very well for them interviewing you who hold a qualification and registration as a social worker, but what about the human elements needed that are not academic. They very much seem lacking in that interview panel. Empathy etc…
The regional office in Nelson who oversees the west coast needs to get some capable managers to clean their own back yard up then deal with Greymouth.
Don’t bother writing to Peter Hughes or Ruth Dyson they will just make excuses…
I had a back experience at an interview with CYF and also know clients with children in their care. They deserve all the criticisms they get and more. I work at the warehouse and love it, I am paid more and have a great team of people. Someone who works at CYF told me that the clients are difficult and management makes it even worse so I had a luck escape. While CYF need more people like us Graham don’t go and work for they change you. Its been a long time since our days at CPIT lets see if you can guess who this is????
graeme, saw some comments a while ago about employees at cyfs at another site. it seems only two types of persons work there.
ReplyDeleteone that goes there in good faith, see the need for changes and get crushed for their efforts.
The other is most likely never to hold down a real job with big pay, and a dreamer if they could get such in any other place, other than cyfs.
The first type; gets the heck out of cyps as fast as they can, usually getting a better one,
thankful for escaping the lunatics who run cyfs. (Run, is not quite the word, the more realistic words are rated well over R-18).
The second type, well, what can one say, general thought seems that if you stay with that Dept long enough, tow the company line, don't give a rats arse about how many broken families, needless uplifts (nearly half of each years uplifts), kids saying they want to go home, because cyfs have run out of excuses for reason of an uplift in the first place. When the uplift was a home invasion, not an uplift
Lets face it, when cyfs fuck up,
they cover up! This is done to the extent, that often is over the top out & out abuse, that crushs in many cases innocent families.
These areholes end up running the show. Staying power, gives them power, no matter how stupid or dangerous they are. Who gives a fuck about the bodies left in their wake.
Why not, the govt does not either.
These dickheads have last the plot,
Taking power from parents giving it to kids; has upset the natural balance. Kids as crims, doing serious crimes are climbing in numbers. Like cyfs, few have any respect of what is right.
Cyfs will never get better as a Dept until they ackowledge they often stuff up, give too much power to idiots who abuse it.
Get honest, get real and put your fuck-ups right. People are sick of dealing with two-faced arrogant
'we have your child, we can do what we like,' jerk-offs.
then cyfs wonder why they cannot get people to take visits and look after kids in care.
Graeme when people write into your blog saying how great cyfs are with out any proof as such makes one wonder at their sanity.
either they are a cyfs worker or nark, a trouble- maker or a complete wanker OR: all of these!
If you are a cyfs worker, piss off and bleat to some other
dopehead who may just believe you.
The only good cyfs worker is one prepared to be honest, make changes and be realistic, not
a power mad loony.
I was going to write some comments about CYF but everything seemed to be said already. CYF you suck you bunch of slack-asses. More people read these pages then write in so the word is being spread globally, you should all be embarrassed about the reputation you have gained as an organization. I used to be in your care and believe me I would not trust you with my cat to look after. Being in your care was more abusive then anything I ever suffered at home you dickheads. Please don’t edit this as I would like people to hear the truth and get an idea of the deep hidden hatred I have for CYF as you destroyed my life. Yes I left the S of for services as I think the name in itself is a bloody joke. In think the idea of people being in CYF CARE is an oxymoron. As they care to do more harm then good. They need down to earth people like Graeme given the current bunch of idiots they employ posing as social workers and managers...
ReplyDeleteI could not agree more what else can anyone add apart from CYFS have not learnt their lesson and the minister does not give a shit. The CEO turns a blind eye and comes up with excuses CYFS are dumb the CEO dumber and the minister stupid for thinking they will not get punished at the next election for this...
ReplyDeleteThe replies you gave to Ray Smith are brilliant, you show him up as the dickhead he really is. It seems both Ray Smith and Peter Hughes deserve each other given there response to you.
ReplyDeleteI read your webpage and can’t believe how you have been treated by people posing as Social Workers. Its clear all those evolved had an agenda by the comments on the second interview feedback and tried to set you up. I could not believe they suggested you go work for an NGO to gain the skills needed, as they seen it. If this is the typical attitude they showed it is more like a gang like mentality of the Mafia. It’s interesting to see how they all stick together and very worrying given they are meant to be professional, impartial, show empathy work on strengths based models. I think Graeme you showed more characteristics of what it takes to be a good Social Worker then any of them you had dealings with in CYFS.
ReplyDeleteI think given the way you were treated, You have acted in more of a professional manner then any of them who tried to screw up your career. What’s more to your credit you gave them plenty of outs and options for resolving the issues. They backed themselves into a coroner meaning you had to escalate things with the webpage going up etc…
Any good managers would not have let things get that far so clearly they need a kick up the ass for that. CYFS only have themselves to blame and their own narrow minded pigheaded god like attitudes; no wonder their organization is such a mess.
As for the claims you are not analytical, could they really believe that and be so stupid. Our class thinks you have more then proven you points and blown away their arguments.
Our Class uses your case as an example to debate what is/isn’t ethical behavior and by whose standards. We also use the Codes of practice and try and distinguish the difference between management roles, how or if the codes apply compared to a normal Social Worker responsibilities within CYFS. I hope the people you named feel very embarrassed having their names associated with such a sham. I for one would not work with such people when I am qualified. They have done themselves more hard then good and the general feeing in our class is you derisive better treatment then you received to put it mildly. Sham shame shame on you including that useless CEO and Ministers who should have stepped in and stopped this when you gave them the chance. They are all fools to themselves and the public they are meant to be serving.
CYFS need people like you the problem is they can’t see it and don’t want it. Your arguments are very well thought out and you leave them in the dust. Our family has had dealings with CYFS and they always seem to make mistakes and have excuses for them.
ReplyDeleteNever once has CYFS said we got it wrong or could have done that better. I think you were very brave going to the second interview and its very clear from there comments and speed it happened they wanted to get there hands on you again. If they think you lack the skills then maybe they need to be retrained because they can’t see them. Just because CYFS have a way of doing things it does not mean it’s the right way and I think you showed them up for that. I like your honest answers about CYFS bad publicity and why you could not say many positive things about them during the interview. The fact is you are right and maybe CYFS live in a dream world. The difference between you am them is clear. You are there for the Children most CYFS staff are there for themselves or CYFS first children second or it at all. You would be honest; our family would rather work with you any day and I think if they did employ you they would soon see why you are the better Social Worker for the job. I think they are scared you might show them up or expose them. They should realize you have already done that by putting the webpage up.
I agree CYFS could have stopped this from happening and resolved the issues but clearly wanted to get you off there back in a way that gave you no comeback. That plan the hatched clearly did not work and shows how stupid they are and gutless. Talk about power and control and acting like bullies. I agree with so many of these comments on the blog and hope CYFS realize the damage they have done themselves and not you. How could they believe given what in you personal statements you would ever let them away with that? Considering they are meant to understand Human Development, Behavioral, patterns, and such like theories I can’t believe they tried to pull that stuff on you. That’s like grabbing a dog by the tail hoping it won’t bite you. It shows they clearly lacked the skills by allowing things to get so far out of hand which some people already noted.
Graeme, I am employed by CYFS and ashamed too have read about how you have been treated. A lot of us read your webpage and support your feelings and views someone needs to hold management accountable for once, they get away with way to much and the public does not know the half of it.
ReplyDeleteI am pleased to see you are still going, nice changes to the new webpage. So it sounds like the trip to Wellington is still on you know what they sat better of late then never.
ReplyDeleteIt seem like things as CYFS don’t change I heard many others are still having problems with CYFS and neither the CEO nor Minister can’t do anything to help, or don’t want to.
I am pleased you will be joining the election fight to get ride of the dead wood and like the new bolg on the government. You are our hero keep it up and fight the good fight.
I don’t think Dyson has nay idea of your pulling power and abilities. She will soon find out.
The way in which you have been treated by CYFS saddens me, I think it’s an indictment on the system and makes a mockery of Equal Employment Opportunities. The ironic thing being is that Ruth Dyson is minister of disabilities and CYFS and been no help at all to you.
ReplyDeleteI am on mainstream in another Government Agency and treated very well. It was a dirty trick by CYFS and badly hatched plan trying to say you lacked the skills. That has to be a new low by anyone’s standards. I have read many of the comments by CYFS and can’t believe they are still continuing the charade.
Hi Graeme, CYFS should have given you a mainstream interview second time round to be fair after the first good interview results you published, then said if you meet the requirements to become registered after two years they would keep you in their employment. After all it was going to cost them nothing and the second year half of the wages. I agree with what others have said I don’t think it was fair they claimed you lacked the skills especially after the first good interview results. I do think the second interview was a setup. If they said you lacked the skill’s that was there excuse for not even considering you for mainstream as you have stated. I did note Pam said you should go and work for an NGO first to get the skills needed, in other works F**K off, nice to see you never did that. That comment among the many is insulting to all your tutors, and suggests to me that a NGO could do a better job of training you then CYFS with all there resources. Anyone claiming to be a Social Worker who can treat someone like that should be fired in my view. God help the clients they deal with who don’t have your fighting spirit. No wonder people think CYFS are heartless, bullies who love to get there own way. Your case proves that and what makes it worse is given you are a strong well known advocate they still thought they could pull it off. That really is stupid and goes to show they are so used to getting their own way never considered they could fail. You might not have got a job with them but I think it’s fair to say by going public and exposing them I think you won… What was interesting was the fact the heads of the MSD and SSC did not seem to see anything wrong with this type of behavior and shows how bad the public service has become.
ReplyDeleteI used to work for CYFS so well aware of their ongoing failings. They get away with a lot under the disguise of the Privacy Act. Your page shows the hard line attitude they take against anyone who will stand up against them or expose them. Your page was widely discussed at our office. Most of Our staff said Pam & Chris went way overboard trying to shut you down. Clearly that worked NOT. I can tell you they will never give in as you would already be aware of by now. Thank your lucky stars for that because anyone who goes in does not come out the same. You have been saved from a fate far worse then you realize.
ReplyDeleteGraeme, I think you got it wrong when Pam sent you the information that was kept from you she was helping you and being upfront and honest. I however can’t explain what come over her when she bagged you for not having skills as she seen it. I think CYFS need a wakeup call and you could very well be it.
ReplyDeleteIt seems nothing has changed at CYFS, its still the same old, same old BS happenin..
ReplyDeleteHmmm....nzmalcolmite....hmmmm...what can I say nothing apparently. Wow, I'd hate to actually have a conversation with you, I wouldn't be able to put a word in edge ways. Do you actually know what you are talking about, or do you just like the sound of your own voice? I was politely asking Graeme a question, and unfortunately he has lied back, because I know other wise. And as regard to me asking publicly...well nzmalcolmite graemes life history is basically online what does a simple question matter. I was polite until some "Rock slime", poked his nose in, actually he must be related to you and yes I do think myself higher then you, you are correct you are ignorant, so there for I not only think of you are ignorant but also know so. But you need a far much bigger rock "my friend" as your head is swollen to the size of a beach ball, your so full of yourself, what a pity is all hot air. Thank you and come again.
ReplyDeleteOh and please feel free to comment nzmalcolmite, it gave me such a laugh to read your previous comments. Love annonoymous.
P.s. no disrespect to Graeme, but I do feel that you have lied.
AHAU KOERO.......
ReplyDeleteHE AHA KOE KI RUNGA KIA (In Maori)
Well Ok, now I am curious, the above comments claimed someone lied and given the large amount of reading I have three questions, Who, How and when. In order for someone to claim “you have lied” what do they perceive as the truth.
I await a response from you all. Great job on the new look webpage Graeme.
Hi Graeme, I am a Foster parent therefore in the Foster Care Association.
ReplyDeleteWe have many concerns about CYFS and their workers much like you.
Some seem very incompetent and not that honest which seems to be a theme on your web-page. Something else I noticed is the fact if you ruffle their feathers they will go out of there way to make life harder on you as we both know and you have proven on your web-page. Ruth Dyson and Peter Hughes are useless we often have to get help from opposition MP’s before anything is looked at let alone done about issues much like you have been doing. So I very much support these web-pages and thank you for having put it up for us all to read and show up what are very much normal behavior and bad practices of CYFS. They seem to do a lot of unethical things and I think the upper management some of which you have had dealings with need to go. As for this so called independent complaints Authority being part of the MSD, that will be a joke. They will put their friends on it to cover there asses, Ruth Dyson and Peter Hughes must think we are really stupid not to see that one coming. Have you noticed how long they have been taking about this and nothing seems to be happening? It will be set up as good as the MP Taito Phillip Field inquiry. He is now on 15 counts of bribery and 25 counts of attempting to pervert justice after being cleared of any wrongdoing but the government appointed inquiry. So yes we can trust this Government to ensure all is equal and fair. The foster care association members have many ongoing issues with CYFS and wish they employed someone like you for us to work with but we both realize that will never happen. In order to fix something you need to see it as broken. I met you once when you were doing your training in Christchurch and its great to see you finished it. I found you to be very honest and upfront many people at the meeting you attended said that after you left the meeting. New Zealand being a small place I have family you have dealt with in Government departments who speak very highly of you. My hope is that the Foster Care Association will employ you as CYFS are too stupid to do so. Go have a look at our web-page http://www.nzfostercare.org.nz/
Hmmm... for the anonymous writer for the 14/1 7.28 pm. Gosh I've been accused of being nosey by just asking a simple question and a few people have posted slagging me off, then you come along like a detective wanting to know who, where and when or what. Interesting how a simple question can get some much attention. What does the maori quote translate to? That i am curious about.
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ReplyDeleteIn short I was asking watz-up and Hi
I for one have not slang off at anyone but did ask the question based on a statement you made. Who lied and about what? Clearly you must have some knowledge or insight that none of us who read the blog have and I would like you to share it so we might be enlightened and know what you are going on about. So yes you could call that playing the detective. If you are going to accuse someone of having lied then you imply the truth has not been told and you know what that is. I have in no way taken sides on the issues as I have no idea what you are going on about having made such statements. So can you clarify who lied as you see it and about what.
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ReplyDeleteThis is interesting. You seem to think that I have to explain something to you, which leads me to think that perhaps you are on a fishing expedition. Unfortunately for you my new friend I haven't accused Graeme of anything, rather stated that I FEEL that he has lied in his reply to me. I don't have to explain myself, just like graeme does not have to explain himself by responding to me. I'm not concerned about his view about what I asked, it was a matter of distinguishing which was true to him. As for you my friend, I won't be filling in any blanks for you. Actually your curiousity seems more to me that maybe you know exactly what this is about.
ps watz-up? Its either Whatzup or wotzup. This implies that either you don't know you slang, or you mutton dressed up as lamb. Whats that about?
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